Serenity Now

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Serenity Now

Postby Arjuna1 » Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:11 pm

LU is focused guiding for seeing there is no real, inherent 'self' - what do you understand by this?
That this existence has been living a life of illusion, being very fond of its "self", and that the LU experience will dispel the illusion.

What are you looking for at LU?
A connection with one that has been where this one "is", for the purpose of experiencing "no-self". Recently, there has been a subtle vibe going on within that seems to be directed towards self enquiring about an obvious Truth, which has been overlooked or ignored for a lifetime. Perhaps now is the moment to seize.

What do you expect from a guided conversation?
A whatever it takes one-on-one communication to experience "no-self". Being neither optimistic nor pessimistic of the outcome, and seemingly blind to a "no-self" experience, this self still feels a strong pull to seek guidance now.

What is your experience in terms of spiritual practices, seeking and inquiry?
Ashtanga yoga was practiced for the purpose of building a strong, supple body with no interest in discovering any spiritual dimension. Kriya yoga techniques were practiced with the goal to gain some spiritual experience, although nothing tangible was experienced. Sat for several months at a local Zen school, and lost interest. Went through the "Presence Process" ten week course annually for the past few years. Currently, practicing Wim Hof breathing and ice cold baths/showers for 7 months... very invigorating!!! Daily AYP "I AM" mantra meditation.

On a scale from 1 to 10, how willing are you to question any currently held beliefs about 'self?
10

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Re: Serenity Now

Postby Bananafish » Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:29 am

Hi Arjuna 1. :)


My name is Bananafish, one of the guides in this forum.
I'd be more than glad to help you in your inquiry.


As a springboard to our inquiry, would you tell where you
feel the "self" is? Please point or put your hand on the place you feel it
the most.


What's there?


Warm regards,

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Re: Serenity Now

Postby Arjuna1 » Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:12 pm

Hi Bananafish,

Thank you for accepting my request for guidance.
As a springboard to our inquiry, would you tell where you
feel the "self" is? Please point or put your hand on the place you feel it
the most.
Immediately, I pointed to the head region. The "feeling" is that the self resides within the head. I don't think that there exists a visceral part within the head that contains the self, such that it could be isolated then surgically removed and placed into a test tube, where it might believe the self to be the test tube. For example, I get routine haircuts, and never get a sense that a portion of my self is left behind lying on the floor of the barbershop. Similarly, if I cut my fingernails, or have tonsils removed, but these are not life threatening. Now, if you cut off my head, the physical body ceases to work resulting in death.
Not willing to try that experiment! I am also afraid of dying...maybe that's why I feel a self to be located in the head region.
Hmmm, I didn't expect to write so much in response to your question, since one word "head" would have sufficed.

When I point to my head, I feel that is where a self resides, and I have always felt this.

Alan

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Re: Serenity Now

Postby Bananafish » Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:31 pm

Hi Alan. :) Nice to meet you!


Could we go more into details about this "self" in your head?
Is there any bodily sensation there that relates to "self"?


If so, please feel it and describe it freely; with lots of adjectives.
If you can relate it to color, texture, or shape, that would be nice.
Also, what images, memories, or thoughts come along with that sense?
You can even write a poem out of that sensation, if that's suitable.


If you couldn't find any of such bodily sensation, please keep digging
for something that makes the "self" in the head 'self-ish.'


Warm regards,


Kento

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Re: Serenity Now

Postby Arjuna1 » Fri Mar 13, 2020 12:42 am

Kento,
Is there any bodily sensation there that relates to "self"? If so, please feel it and describe it freely; with lots of adjectives.
If you can relate it to color, texture, or shape, that would be nice.
I conducted this investigation by first sitting in a quiet environment with my eyes closed attempting to identify any and all bodily sensations that could be attributed to a "self". No colors, textures, shapes are being sensed. There is a sensation of colorless, noiseless, calm vast spaciousness. This spaciousness that I sense feels too vast to be contained within the boundary of the physical dimensions of my head, and yet it feels to be confined within the head. Strange???
There is a mild sensation of tingling within the head that I become aware of when I focus my attention. However I sensed this same tingling sensation in my hands when I focused attention on that part of the body and/or any body part.
Also, what images, memories, or thoughts come along with that sense?
Random thoughts are coming and going. The thought of what this enquiry will uncover or reveal about "self" keeps repeating. My memory is that this sensation has been with me for as long as I can remember. Whether as a child, a teenager, or adult. It's very familiar and it's always here...always here... always here.

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Re: Serenity Now

Postby Bananafish » Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:28 am

Hi again. :)

This spaciousness that I sense feels too vast to be contained within the boundary of the physical dimensions of my head, and yet it feels to be confined within the head. Strange???

What is producing the feeling of this confinement?
Could you observe further?

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Re: Serenity Now

Postby Arjuna1 » Sat Mar 14, 2020 1:59 am

Kento,
What is producing the feeling of this confinement?
Could you observe further?
The tingling sensation, which I previously described as being felt within the head, extends outward to include the outer surface area "skin" of the head. That is where the feeling ends.
I attempted to feel this sensation beyond the boundary of the physical body, but I cannot feel any sensations in the free space that surrounds the body. The tingling sensation also manifests a feeling of density that is felt within the the physical body. These feelings create a thought that I am separate from all that is outside of the physical body.

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Re: Serenity Now

Postby Bananafish » Sat Mar 14, 2020 5:17 am

Hi Alan. :)

Is it a precise description that the
sensation creates the thought you are
separate?


Please close your eyes and try to feel
the boundary between where tingling
sensation is felt and where it isn’t.

Is there a clear boundary, or is it somewhat
vague?


Also, please look at the whole part where
that particular sensation appears.

Do you feel that it has a certain shape?
If so, that that shape match the image of
yourself which you have?


Warm regards,

Bananafish

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Re: Serenity Now

Postby Arjuna1 » Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:03 pm

Hi Kento,

Please know that my responses to your questions are coming from as direct of an experience that I am currently able to provide. I have noticed how the mind starts speculating, theorizing, and conjuring up solutions and/or the "correct" answers to your questions, which is distracting me away from the direct experiences that are happening. I'm living in my mind rather than experiencing what is.
Is it a precise description that the
sensation creates the thought you are
separate?

No. Absolutely not.

Please close your eyes and try to feel
the boundary between where tingling
sensation is felt and where it isn’t.
Is there a clear boundary, or is it somewhat
vague?
Vague. No experience of a boundary.

Also, please look at the whole part where
that particular sensation appears.
Do you feel that it has a certain shape?
No shape is experienced. There is a felt experience, but what is it? Pure energy???

Regards,

Alan

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Re: Serenity Now

Postby Bananafish » Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:21 pm

Hi Alan. :) Thanks for the response.

I'm living in my mind rather than experiencing what is.

What's telling you this? Do you have to believe in this notion of
"living in mind"? Of course, I'm not telling that believing in it is bad.

How does it feel to believe in the above thought content?

There is a felt experience,

Does that "experience" match the image you have of yourself?
In other words, is it the same as "you" that you think yourself to be?

Please tell me more about that specific "experience."
Observe it, and put a name on it. Is it something confined to time and space?


Warm regards,

Bananafish

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Re: Serenity Now

Postby Arjuna1 » Mon Mar 16, 2020 2:45 am

Kento,
What's telling you this?
A thought content.
Do you have to believe in this notion of
"living in mind"?
Absolutely not. Thoughts come and go freely and quite randomly but offer no actual experience of trueness or falseness concerning the content.
How does it feel to believe in the above thought content?
Frustrating.
Does that "experience" match the image you have of yourself?
In other words, is it the same as "you" that you think yourself to be?
Yes.
Please tell me more about that specific "experience."
Observe it, and put a name on it. Is it something confined to time and space?
Specifically, the experience is that of existing separate from all that is. I feel grateful for any and every experience. Life is miraculous! However, non-dual experience is not felt over here.
"Trapped" is the name that I assign to this experience of feeling separate.
What do you mean "confined by time and space"?

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Re: Serenity Now

Postby Bananafish » Mon Mar 16, 2020 2:58 am

Hi again. :)

non-dual experience is not felt over here.

Could you elaborate?

Does that "experience" match the image you have of yourself?
In other words, is it the same as "you" that you think yourself to be?

Yes.

Does this mean that you take yourself as having no shape whatsoever?

How does it feel to believe in the above thought content?
Frustrating.

Is there a good reason for not letting that belief go?
What or who is making that belief stay?

What do you mean "confined by time and space"?

I meant "limited in time and space."

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Re: Serenity Now

Postby Arjuna1 » Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:23 pm

Kento,
Non-dual experience is not felt over here.
Could you elaborate?
Currently, "non-duality" is an idea/concept that has only been a thought experience, based on the knowledge gained from reading and visiting web sites such as Liberation Unleashed. I still feel that I exist as a separate being.

Does this mean that you take yourself as having no shape whatsoever?
My essence is formlessness, but it feels to be contained within the boundary of the physical body.

Is there a good reason for not letting that belief go?
Not that I am aware of.
What or who is making that belief stay?
Me.

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Re: Serenity Now

Postby Bananafish » Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:17 pm

Hi Alan. :)

I still feel that I exist as a separate being.

Let's have a look at this particular feeling.

When you say "I still feel that I exist as a separate being",
what exactly is this "feeling?" Is it a thought?
Image? Sensation? A mix of them? Or something else?

My essence is formlessness, but it feels to be contained within the boundary of the physical body.

Again, is this "feeling" of containment a thought? Image? Sensation? A mix of them?
Or something else?

What or who is making that belief stay?
Me.

What, who, and where is this "me" right here in this moment?
Could you point at it?


Best wishes,


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Re: Serenity Now

Postby Arjuna1 » Tue Mar 17, 2020 1:48 am

Hello Kento,

When you say "I still feel that I exist as a separate being",
what exactly is this "feeling?" Is it a thought?
Image? Sensation? A mix of them? Or something else?
Hmmmm...now I am reconsidering my previous statement that I "feel" to be a separate self. It has to be a thought, since a feeling is not able to communicate. I mean that thoughts are comprised of labels and concepts that can be communicated to you via this forum, but a feeling just is. There is an experience of sensation inside of the physical body best described as a tingling. A thought labels this sensation as an energy or awareness.
Again, is this "feeling" of containment a thought? Image? Sensation? A mix of them?
Or something else?
It is a thought. Just a thought.
What, who, and where is this "me" right here in this moment?
Could you point at it?
"Me" is a thought. I can't point to thoughts, since thoughts are nowhere in space.

Wow!


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