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Following Bliss

Postby Scotticus » Wed Feb 26, 2020 7:51 pm

LU is focused guiding for seeing there is no real, inherent 'self' - what do you understand by this?
That the idea of selfhood is something that has been entrained in us by society. However, in reality, this is not the case. “We” are beyond that.

What are you looking for at LU?
I know intellectually that there is no self.But I am having difficulty in fully grasping it, in feeling it. I am looking for a way to grasp this with all my beingness. Some clarity around it. It’s a knowledge I want to have with 100% visceral certitude at all times.

What do you expect from a guided conversation?
To have someone there to lead, point, to the illusion. To have someone to help me fully ascertain and own for myself the truth of aliveness. A spiritual partnership of sorts in which someone helps me to see behind the veil of illusion.

What is your experience in terms of spiritual practices, seeking and inquiry?
I have practiced Buddhism, yoga, and meditation for over 25 years. I am also in
the Finders course currently.

On a scale from 1 to 10, how willing are you to question any currently held beliefs about 'self?
11

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Re: Following Bliss

Postby Bananafish » Fri Mar 06, 2020 9:55 pm

Hi Scotticus. :)


My name is Bananafish, one of the guides in this forum.
I'd be more than glad to help you in your inquiry.


To begin with, let's try one thing and see if it works;
instead of trying to feel "no self," try feeling the sense of self you are with
right now.


Observe carefully. How does "self" feel? How is its felt?
Does it have any special quality? What comes up with it? Any thoughts or images?


Looking for your reply!


Bananafish
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Re: Following Bliss

Postby Scotticus » Sun Mar 08, 2020 4:32 am

Hello there!

Thank you!

Let’s see... I feel a calmness and emptiness, but a full emptiness, if that makes sense. Like a sea of awareness. A calm ocean of awareness that is boundless and timeless and all pervasive. It’s difficult to encapsulate into words.

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Re: Following Bliss

Postby Bananafish » Sun Mar 08, 2020 4:52 am

Hi. :) Thanks for the reply!


Who, or what is the one that is feeling that feeling?
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Re: Following Bliss

Postby Scotticus » Sun Mar 08, 2020 5:00 am

Well, essentially, upon observation, it’s the awareness itself.

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Re: Following Bliss

Postby Bananafish » Sun Mar 08, 2020 5:18 am

What if you gave "awareness" a different name? What would it be?
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Re: Following Bliss

Postby Scotticus » Sun Mar 08, 2020 5:36 am

Hmmm. Beingness. Emptiness. Is-ness. Something like that.

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Re: Following Bliss

Postby Bananafish » Sun Mar 08, 2020 5:50 am

Thanks. :)



Now, please observe your daily life.



When you have "negative" emotions like sorrow, anger and hatred,
can you say with 100% certainty, from your own experience, that
is it "awareness" that is experiencing the emotions?



Please be completely honest, without thinking that you should be
answering the correct answer.
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Re: Following Bliss

Postby Scotticus » Sun Mar 08, 2020 7:16 am

Okay! Let me get back to you in a day or two and let you know what I find out! :-) this is neat!! Thank you.

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Re: Following Bliss

Postby Bananafish » Sun Mar 08, 2020 7:39 am

Sure! Please try to write as much as possible.
That's the way people build momentum to really see through the illusion.
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Re: Following Bliss

Postby Scotticus » Sun Mar 15, 2020 10:38 pm

Hello bananafish!

I apologize for the late reply. I (or rather, the body) got quite sick this week, but I kept your email in mind.

I actually don’t think anything is experiencing emotions. They are bubbling up in awareness, from awareness. “We” then make stories about them and latch on to them, cling to them and make them “ours”. However, in reality, they are merely bubbles of energy just floating along awareness or consciousness. Or life. Floating through life. There isn’t any intrinsic goodness or badness to any of them. That’s part of our story and our labeling system. Part of our clinging. “We”, The real “we” are beyond this. Boundless. Empty. Spaciousness. Silent. Aware. Observing. Being. The emotions don’t touch here. Nothing does or can.

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Re: Following Bliss

Postby Bananafish » Sun Mar 15, 2020 11:02 pm

Hi. Scotticus :)
Good to hear from you.


Is that a theory, or an experiential understanding?
In case of the latter, how is daily life experienced based on that
understanding?


And please note that you don't have to answer in the way
you think is "appropriate." Please be 100% honest when you answer.


Warm regards,

Bananafish
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Re: Following Bliss

Postby Scotticus » Sun Mar 15, 2020 11:07 pm

It’s experiential understanding, although not 100% of the time, unfortunately. Sometimes I still slip into the drama of suffering and the bullshit of being human. Which is why I am here.
In the ideal state, it is as though awareness exists here and everything is arriving, bubbling up around it. For instance, now music is arriving. Birds are chirping. A book exists under the arm of this body. But inside is a sea of life, beingness. Stillness.

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Re: Following Bliss

Postby Bananafish » Mon Mar 16, 2020 12:09 am

So, are you imagining some kind of future in which there is no "human drama"
and "suffering" at all?
I'm available for Skype or Zoom face to face conversation. Drop me a line and we could arrange
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Email: swinganova@hotmail.co.jp
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Re: Following Bliss

Postby Bananafish » Mon Mar 16, 2020 12:12 am

Oh, and you missed one of my questions:

"How is daily life experienced based on that (experiential) understanding?"
I'm available for Skype or Zoom face to face conversation. Drop me a line and we could arrange
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