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Re: Inquiring To No One

Postby Anastacia42 » Tue Feb 25, 2020 6:26 pm

Hi Duncan,

Okay, let's LOOK. It's a kind of internal looking in this case.
Looking into the place where others see your face, do you see colours or shapes there?
When you say look into the place where others see your face, all I can find is my visual field. Yes, I see objects.
What do you find?
I am a little unsure how to complete this exercise. It seems that looking with the eyes only occurs in one direction. So to be told to look into the place where I am looking out seems like a paradox.
Yes, it is kind of a paradox. It is meant to flip you out of your normal way of looking into something else. Each exercise asks you to LOOK at something, some aspect of what you are aware of and see what is really there, not what thought (content of thought) tells you. Look only at Direct/Actual Experience.

Watch this video and see whether you can get a sense of this type of LOOKING:

http://www.liberationunleashed.com/reso ... h-honesty/

And then try that exercise again, please.

Loving,
~ Stacy

"Not to know there is an alternative to being lost
in thought is to be a kind of prisoner."

~ Sam Harris

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Re: Inquiring To No One

Postby Anastacia42 » Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:39 pm

Hi Duncan,

I think my reply disappeared.
Looking into the place where others see your face, do you see colors or shapes there?
When you say look into the place where others see your face, all I can find is my visual field. Yes, I see objects.
What do you find?
I am a little unsure how to complete this exercise. It seems that looking with the eyes only occurs in one direction. So to be told to look into the place where I am looking out seems like a paradox.
When we say LOOK, sometimes it is an internal looking. And yes, it is a paradox. That is the point. It is meant to help open you to SEEING what is there and not just what content of thought says, which is not there at all.

It's like looking for Santa Claus. When you were little, you had thought stories about who and what Santa Claus was, but later you found out that it was your father or someone dressed up in a red suit. From then on, you could never see a "Santa Claus" and be fooled again. You knew. You had SEEN. It's just like that.

Maybe this video will help:

http://www.liberationunleashed.com/reso ... -honesty/

Do that last exercise again and let me know what happens.

Loving,
~ Stacy

"Not to know there is an alternative to being lost
in thought is to be a kind of prisoner."

~ Sam Harris

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Re: Inquiring To No One

Postby SofaNo1 » Wed Feb 26, 2020 5:19 pm

Hi Stacy,
Now point a finger towards the place where others see your head and face.

What do you see? Do you see your face? Do you see your head?
I don’t see anything. No face, no head.
Do you see anything at all there - any colours, shapes, or any movement?
Nothing at all.
Looking into the place where others see your face, do you see colours or shapes there?
No.
What do you find?
I find a peculiar kind of blankness. I say peculiar because, now that I have looked and considered this, this is the only place in the universe that has this quality of ‘blankness’ -- this quality of ‘nothing behind it’. Everything else is an object with a shape and a color, but when I look where my face should be, there is nothing there. This blank nothing that is filled with the world can only exist for me, in the first person.

Thanks again,

Duncan

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Re: Inquiring To No One

Postby Anastacia42 » Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:40 am

Hi Duncan,

You're welcome.
I find a peculiar kind of blankness. I say peculiar because, now that I have looked and considered this, this is the only place in the universe that has this quality of ‘blankness’ -- this quality of ‘nothing behind it’. Everything else is an object with a shape and a color, but when I look where my face should be, there is nothing there. This blank nothing that is filled with the world can only exist for me, in the first person.
Yes, "blank nothing."  Good. Stay with that. Keep LOOKING.

It is understandable to try to "consider," but focus on LOOKING and on AE, not so much on content of thought.

What is the AE of "head" in the context of this exercise?

Remember, Actual or Direct Experience is:

Seeing
Hearing
Feeling (Sensation, not emotion)
Tasting
Smelling
Thought Arising (but not the content of thought)


Head Exercise

Let’s examine the solidity of the head.

Press a finger down onto the top of the ‘head’.

Notice what is actually present.

Is it a head, or is it just a Sensation labelled ‘pressure’ and a story ABOUT a head?

Do the same with a finger on each side of the head.

Is a head actually found, or are there just Sensations again?

And is there anything between the pressure points, or is it just a thought that says there must be something between them?


Loving,
~ Stacy

"Not to know there is an alternative to being lost
in thought is to be a kind of prisoner."

~ Sam Harris

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Re: Inquiring To No One

Postby SofaNo1 » Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:14 pm

Sorry I am a little late responding to this one.
What is the AE of "head" in the context of this exercise?
There is no AE of “head” in this exercise.
Head Exercise
Is it a head, or is it just a Sensation labelled ‘pressure’ and a story ABOUT a head?
Just sensation labelled pressure, yes.
Do the same with a finger on each side of the head.

Is a head actually found, or are there just Sensations again?
Just sensations
And is there anything between the pressure points, or is it just a thought that says there must be something between them?
There is nothing in experience between the pressure points.

This exercise seems similar to the one where I examined the ‘AE’ of the apple. If I remember correctly, I didn’t have an ‘AE’ of an apple either.

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Re: Inquiring To No One

Postby Anastacia42 » Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:19 am

Hi Duncan,
This exercise seems similar to the one where I examined the ‘AE’ of the apple. If I remember correctly, I didn’t have an ‘AE’ of an apple either.
Yes, exactly. Really, any pointer given is similar. They're all stories we hope may turn on the light for you on one thing: seeing there is no separate self.

Any one of these pointers can help you to SEE.

Have you read any of the stories in Gateless Gatecrashers (linked above in Resources) or Liberation Unleashed? I may have asked before, but I'm on my cell phone at the moment.

Loving,
~ Stacy

"Not to know there is an alternative to being lost
in thought is to be a kind of prisoner."

~ Sam Harris

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Re: Inquiring To No One

Postby SofaNo1 » Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:50 am

Have you read any of the stories in Gateless Gatecrashers (linked above in Resources) or Liberation Unleashed?
Yes, I read the Gateless Gatecrashers, and most of Liberation Unleashed.

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Re: Inquiring To No One

Postby Anastacia42 » Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:09 am

Okay, here's another exercise to try.

Change Letters

Throughout the day, when a thought about "I" comes up, replace the letter!

"I want to have this"

"O want to have this"
Can "O" want to have anything?
No.
How then could "I" want to have anything?


"I don't like that"

"A don't like that"
Can "A" dislike anything?
No.

How come there is an idea that "I" can dislike anything?

Observe this throughout the day and report what comes up!


Loving,
~ Stacy

"Not to know there is an alternative to being lost
in thought is to be a kind of prisoner."

~ Sam Harris

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Re: Inquiring To No One

Postby SofaNo1 » Tue Mar 03, 2020 5:59 am

How come there is an idea that "I" can dislike anything?

Observe this throughout the day and report what comes up!
Clearly, “A” or “O” cannot want or dislike anything. Neither can “I”. This was an interesting one for me because I don’t have too much of a conscious internal monologue. Since I’m not thinking in language too much of the time, the verbal “I” didn’t come up for me a whole lot. Doing the exercise though, I’m just noticing more thought.

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Re: Inquiring To No One

Postby Anastacia42 » Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:38 am

Good evening,

Okay. here is a less verbal one.

Explore Sense of Self

Let’s say that you have lost your keys and you swear that you left them in your coat. You go to look and check all the pockets - the keys are not there. You swear they must be as that was the last place you remember them. You have a vivid memory of putting them there after you left the house. But when you check they are not there. At this point you can keep believing that the keys are in your pocket, or you can admit you were mistaken. This is just like that. You may see clearly that the self is an illusion but still feel a sense of self -just like the keys. But feeling something to be true and seeing that it is or is not is different.

This is why we may find ourselves coming back to your expectations at the start and at the end.

Now, I’d like to ask you to explore this SENSE of self very-very thoroughly. Not by thinking about it, but by FEELING it.

Keep the focus of attention on the sense of self and inquire:

Does the sense of self have a location?

Does the sense of self have a shape or a size?

Does the sense of self say or communicate anything?

If the answer is yes, how does the sense do this exactly?

Does the sense of self have any characteristics or attributes?

What is the sense of self ‘made of’? An image? Sound?Taste? Smell? Sensation? Thought?


This is one of my favorites. This, and knowing that it's like Santa Claus.

Loving,
~ Stacy

"Not to know there is an alternative to being lost
in thought is to be a kind of prisoner."

~ Sam Harris

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Re: Inquiring To No One

Postby SofaNo1 » Sun Mar 08, 2020 4:57 pm

Hi Stacy, I think I am seeing it clearer now.
Keep the focus of attention on the sense of self and inquire:

Does the sense of self have a location?
No.
Does the sense of self have a shape or a size?
No.
Does the sense of self say or communicate anything?
No.
If the answer is yes, how does the sense do this exactly?
N/A
Does the sense of self have any characteristics or attributes?
No.
What is the sense of self ‘made of’? An image? Sound?Taste? Smell? Sensation? Thought?
There is not really even a sense of self. Just a thought that points to nothing. I’ve been pointing to where my face should be -- a mental shortcut for remembering to come back to ‘self’. But no matter how many times I point to it, like the car keys, there isn’t anything there. All I am left with is the pointing, which is just a thought.

All the best,

Duncan

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Re: Inquiring To No One

Postby Anastacia42 » Sun Mar 08, 2020 9:39 pm

Yes!

How does it feel to see this?

Loving,
~ Stacy

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in thought is to be a kind of prisoner."

~ Sam Harris

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Re: Inquiring To No One

Postby SofaNo1 » Mon Mar 09, 2020 2:01 am

How does it feel to see this?
As your signature line says, it feels like having an alternative to being lost in thought. Pointing back ‘home’ and seeing no one there takes away the power of thoughts -- the sting of the personal. Being caught up in the world and our own minds can feel chaotic; this feels peaceful.

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Re: Inquiring To No One

Postby Anastacia42 » Mon Mar 09, 2020 4:38 am

Good. Yes, peaceful. That's true.

So, Duncan, is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

Loving,
~ Stacy

"Not to know there is an alternative to being lost
in thought is to be a kind of prisoner."

~ Sam Harris

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Re: Inquiring To No One

Postby SofaNo1 » Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:35 pm

So, Duncan, is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
No, there is no separate ‘self’ in any form, nor was there.


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