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Re: Inquiring To No One

Postby Anastacia42 » Sun Feb 16, 2020 9:17 pm

Hi Duncan,

How's it going?

Much love,
~ Stacy

"Not to know there is an alternative to being lost
in thought is to be a kind of prisoner."

~ Sam Harris

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Re: Inquiring To No One

Postby SofaNo1 » Sun Feb 16, 2020 9:45 pm

Hi Stacy, it's going well. I found your suggestion to relax while doing the exercises helpful. I forgot to post yesterday! I'm going to take a moment to get my answers recorded, and then I will post back here in full detail. I am still committed to seeing this.

Oh, and I did listen to the audio book for "Free Will," and am part of the way through "Waking Up." Good stuff.

All the best,

Duncan

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Re: Inquiring To No One

Postby Anastacia42 » Sun Feb 16, 2020 9:54 pm

Excellent!
~ Stacy

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in thought is to be a kind of prisoner."

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Re: Inquiring To No One

Postby SofaNo1 » Sun Feb 16, 2020 11:42 pm

1. Can you find anywhere where 'Duncan' autonomously intervenes into life, choosing something that is not the product of all the elements; that is not a part of the overall flow?
No, I can’t find a ‘Duncan’ that autonomously intervenes. In AE, I find actions, and thoughts identifying with the actions.
2. Now please consider a regular decision made eg; what to wear in the morning, or what to eat for lunch, and describe to me what happens. There are environmental factors, there are colour preferences (but where did those come from - any autonomous intervention there perhaps?), practical issues (such as what is available), available time for preparation, purpose (eg; need to fill up for the day, or to look hip and cool for that person!) etc.
When making a choice, I can’t point to anything that is actually choosing. It’s like my brain decides, and then ‘I’ am informed of the decision.
Where in there is an autonomous entity intervening in the flow of life? Can you find someone somewhere?
There is not an autonomous entity in AE. There is acting, and there are thoughts about being the cause of the acting. No.
3. Can anything be found for which 'Duncan' is responsible – if so responsible to what and for what?
‘Duncan’ can’t really be responsible, because there are only thoughts about ‘Duncan.’

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Re: Inquiring To No One

Postby Anastacia42 » Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:53 am

Hi Duncan,

Good work. Continue to relax deeply in each exercise. See how little effort it takes to observe what is already do.

Mind labelling experience

Here is an exercise which examines the way in which the mind labels experience - it takes about 20 minutes and you will need a pen a paper.

This exercise is broken into 10 minute lots. For each 10 minute period pay attention to any bodily sensation ie is there any tightening, or any relaxing?

For the first ten minutes write down what you are experiencing right now using the word “I”. For example: I am sitting on a chair, I am hearing a clock ticking, I am looking at a computer screen, I am feeling hungry. Get right to the point, no past or future fantasy, just a plain description of your experience right here and now.

Then for the next ten minutes continue writing down what you are experiencing but this time without using the word “I”. Just describe the experience as it is happening using verbs. For example: sitting on a chair, typing, breathing, blinking, hearing the clock. (Again, watch what is happening in the body.)

Please share your 2 lists.

At the end of the twenty minutes compare the two ways in which the experience was labelled and answer the following four questions:

1. Is one truer than the other, and If so, which one?

2. What is here without labels?

3. Do labels affect the experience or just describe it?

4. Did you notice any differences in the body?

Let me know how it goes and what you notice.

Loving,
~ Stacy

"Not to know there is an alternative to being lost
in thought is to be a kind of prisoner."

~ Sam Harris

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Re: Inquiring To No One

Postby Anastacia42 » Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:54 am

Hmm, errata... observe what is already SO (not do)

Sorry & thanks. I often reply from my cell phone.
~ Stacy

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Re: Inquiring To No One

Postby SofaNo1 » Wed Feb 19, 2020 10:10 pm

Please share your 2 lists.
1)
I am sitting in a chair
I am typing
I am looking at a computer screen
I am breathing
I am hearing people talking at a distance
I am hearing the air conditioning
I am thinking about tasks to be accomplished
I am looking at closed eyelids
I am hearing people type
I am interlocking my fingers
I am feeling a little tight in the chest
I am feeling the chair beneath me
I am looking at a timer
I am anticipating the end of 10 mins

2)
Sitting in a chair
Hearing people talking in background
Seeing computer screen
Breathing
Moving hands
Typing
Thinking
Shifting position
Blinking
Seeing people in periphery
Looking around the room
Feeling at ease
Hearing clicking
Seeing timer
Yawning
At the end of the twenty minutes compare the two ways in which the experience was labelled and answer the following four questions:

1. Is one truer than the other, and If so, which one?
I feel like the second list is more true. Just experiencing, without the ‘I am’ preceding it.
2. What is here without labels?
Without labels there is only experience.
3. Do labels affect the experience or just describe it?
I felt like the labels did affect the experience. Describing in terms of ‘I am’ added a feeling of ‘me’ needing to control what was happening.
4. Did you notice any differences in the body?
Yes.
Let me know how it goes and what you notice.
I found this to be a very interesting exercise. I repeated it twice and found similar results both times. In the first part, labelling with ‘I am’ I felt more tense, almost anxious. I felt a little tightness in my chest, making breathing a little more difficult and shallow. I felt more impatient to get the exercise over with. In the second part, just experiencing, I felt more at peace. There was no sense of ‘me’ needing to control anything. Breathing felt free and natural.

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Re: Inquiring To No One

Postby Anastacia42 » Wed Feb 19, 2020 11:13 pm

Hi Duncan!

Exactly! Go to the head of the class!

It is useful to notice when we are tense, tight, contracted, heavy in the chest anywhere. That indicates something is a lie, untrue, not based in AE. When relaxed, open, expansive - that's truth, AE. But don't believe me. Test it!

LOOK at things in this manner whenever you can. Drop the "I" and see how relaxed you can be. Relaxation is essential.

Here is a fun one and there's another for follow-up next:

Label-Reality Correlation

There is a belief that labels have a one-to-one correspondence with ‘reality’. But there isn’t. Just like it is a generally accepted belief that labels like ‘good’ and ‘bad’ are inherent characteristics of ‘things’. But actually, they are not.

When you look at the word label ‘GREEN’ , what is the actual experience?

Is the colour red ‘experienced’, or is the colour green ‘experienced’ as the label suggests?

Does the label ‘GREEN’ have a one-to-one correspondence with ‘reality’? Or does the label suggest something else other than what is here now (red colour)?

Is 'green' associated in any way with the experience of the colour red; or is green just a label that overlays the actual experience of red?

If the label ‘GREEN’ is replaced with the label ‘GOOD’ or ‘BAD’ , is the redness affected in any way as the labels suggests?

Does redness become ‘good’ or ‘bad’, or do the labels have no affect whatsoever on "reality?"

Relax, have fun and LOOK, let SEEING come to you.

Loving,
~ Stacy

"Not to know there is an alternative to being lost
in thought is to be a kind of prisoner."

~ Sam Harris

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Re: Inquiring To No One

Postby SofaNo1 » Wed Feb 19, 2020 11:36 pm

Hi Stacy,
LOOK at things in this manner whenever you can. Drop the "I" and see how relaxed you can be. Relaxation is essential.
Understood.
When you look at the word label ‘GREEN’ , what is the actual experience?
Red
Is the colour red ‘experienced’, or is the colour green ‘experienced’ as the label suggests?
The color red is experienced.
Does the label ‘GREEN’ have a one-to-one correspondence with ‘reality’? Or does the label suggest something else other than what is here now (red colour)?
The label suggests something other than what is here now.
Is 'green' associated in any way with the experience of the colour red; or is green just a label that overlays the actual experience of red?
Green is a label that overlays the experience of red.
If the label ‘GREEN’ is replaced with the label ‘GOOD’ or ‘BAD’ , is the redness affected in any way as the labels suggests?
No
Does redness become ‘good’ or ‘bad’, or do the labels have no affect whatsoever on "reality?"
The labels have no effect on reality.

All the best,

Duncan

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Re: Inquiring To No One

Postby Anastacia42 » Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:59 pm

Okay, so here is a follow-up. Really LOOK, if you can. I know you "know" the answers, but that's not what we're doing.

Friend/Stranger

Bring up a thought about a character labelled "friend".

Then bring up a thought about a character labelled "stranger".

Compare these thoughts.

Is there a difference in these thoughts?

Is there a true difference or is it just different content?

Now, bring up a thought about a character labelled "friend".

After that, look at a thought about the character labelled "me”.

Is there a difference?

Is there anything special about thoughts with the content "me-character"?


Loving
~ Stacy

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in thought is to be a kind of prisoner."

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Re: Inquiring To No One

Postby SofaNo1 » Fri Feb 21, 2020 11:16 pm

Is there a difference in these thoughts?
There appears to be a difference in the content/feeling of the thoughts.
Is there a true difference or is it just different content?
Not a true difference, just different content.
Now, bring up a thought about a character labelled "friend".
After that, look at a thought about the character labelled "me”.
Is there a difference?
Just a difference in content. They are both only thoughts.
Is there anything special about thoughts with the content "me-character"?
Not special in that they are anything more than thought. But they certainly have a strong association with my direct experience, whereas the other thoughts seem more removed. They point to different things, but they are both only pointers.

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Re: Inquiring To No One

Postby Anastacia42 » Sat Feb 22, 2020 2:42 am

Hi there,
But they certainly have a strong association with my direct experience,
Be aware of how we cling to made up stories by calling them "strong" or "deep" or "important." Can you find any of that in DE?


Let's try this one. It tends to flip me into clearer SEEING.

Headless Way
Taken from The Headless Way

Have a look around you. You can see colours of the room, of your 'feet’, of your ‘knees’, of your ‘chest’ and perhaps of your 'hands'.

Now point a finger towards the place where others see your head and face.

What do you see? Do you see your face? Do you see your head?

Do you see anything at all there - any colours, shapes, or any movement?

Looking into the place where others see your face, do you see colours or shapes there?

What do you find?


Loving,
~ Stacy

"Not to know there is an alternative to being lost
in thought is to be a kind of prisoner."

~ Sam Harris

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Re: Inquiring To No One

Postby SofaNo1 » Sun Feb 23, 2020 2:13 am

Still looking at this one.

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Re: Inquiring To No One

Postby Anastacia42 » Sun Feb 23, 2020 2:23 am

Thanks got letting me know.

Take your time. You can say what's happening & still continue with the exercise.

Thanks!
~ Stacy

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in thought is to be a kind of prisoner."

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Re: Inquiring To No One

Postby SofaNo1 » Mon Feb 24, 2020 3:02 am

Be aware of how we cling to made up stories by calling them "strong" or "deep" or "important." Can you find any of that in DE?
No, I suppose not. There are just more thoughts. Thoughts about thoughts in this case.
What do you see? Do you see your face? Do you see your head?
I see my finger pointing, and I see the room. I do not see my face, or my head.
Do you see anything at all there - any colours, shapes, or any movement?
I do. I see that which is directly in front of my eyes in the room.
Looking into the place where others see your face, do you see colours or shapes there?
When you say look into the place where others see your face, all I can find is my visual field. Yes, I see objects.
What do you find?
I am a little unsure how to complete this exercise. It seems that looking with the eyes only occurs in one direction. So to be told to look into the place where I am looking out seems like a paradox.


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