What I’m saying there is no chooser. There is a choosing, but no chooser. Just like there is breathing , but no breather. There is voluntary moving, acting, as in opposition to involuntary, but that does not mean there is a mover.
Thank you for that clarification!
The subject is part of language. In actuality action flows, choosing happens. Anything that is chosen comes out of given situation and it feels like the best choice. But regardless what is chosen (right, left, back, forward) the narrative about it says “I chose it” What is that I?
Right now that I is a thought plus a feeling.
Have been looking at thoughts again and what I notice is this:
There are *thoughts* about a self that perpetuate the belief in a separate self, and we look at that a lot in this dialogue. And there are also *FEELINGS* about a self that perpetuate the belief in a self that is separate from life.
So then the question arises: Are the feelings that I have coming FROM a self or are they ABOUT a self?
Both! Thoughts/feelings come from the self ABOUT the self. It is a closed loop. The self creates thoughts/feelings in order to perpetuate the self.
If you are the chooser, did you choose how this life should be, where you live, how you live, who you live with?
Did not choose how life is.
Did choose how life should be.
Did choose where to live.
Chose some elements of how I live.
Did choose who to live with.
Did not choose my family.
Did choose my friends.
Is this what you chose or what is given?
Some of each. The choices were selected out of the range of options of what is given.
Can you choose and be someone else, a different person with different likes and dislikes?
No but I sure do try sometimes. There was a childhood belief that I "should have been someone else".
Can you choose to stop choosing?
No I can't choose to stop choosing. Well I can decide to choose that, but that doesn't mean it will happen.
What are you choosing now that is not simply happening by IT-SELF?
Hmmmm..... Am currently agonizing over a decision about where I am going to live this winter. This agonizing was not chosen by me. But I do need to decide and feel a great deal.of pressure and stress about making the "right" choice.
I have been looking at being the chooser and noticed this:
Am very much attached to be the "chooser". Seems very scary otherwise. Even though it would free me from self attacks about making poor choices.... I do know that in my night time dreams there is no sense of making choices, things just happen, one after another.... Being the chooser gives me some sense of safety, security, control, agency. But it also brings a lot of stress and regret....
Making the "wrong" choice leads to possible disaster, trauma, injury. Making the "right" choice leads to possible love, happiness, freedom, enjoyment.
Letting go of being the chooser could be very freeing, I can see that. Yet there is also some strong resistance as well. And as discussed above, I can't choose to stop choosing either....
Ok that's it for now.