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Postby SimonR » Fri Feb 14, 2020 1:06 pm

Hi Stacy
There IS Awareness. But does that mean there is a separate thing called self?
No. One issue I find with this experiment is that I can give thoughts attention and notice gaps, especially when dedicating a set time to it, but remembering to do it throughout the day is, frustratingly, difficult. It’s that I really want to have periods through day of just ‘stopping’ and giving attention to thoughts and experience but the times when I can actually remember to do it are relatively few, compared with just getting caught up in thoughts and the events of day etc... I am in India at the moment so it might just be the chaos of travelling


As mentioned WiFi accessibility over next week is limited so might be delays at times

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Simon

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Postby Anastacia42 » Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:55 am

Hi Simon,

No worries about communication delays.

To remember to LOOK, set timers several times throughout the day. Using technology is fair for a while, and as needed.

Let me know how that works.

Loving,
~ Stacy

"Not to know there is an alternative to being lost
in thought is to be a kind of prisoner."

~ Sam Harris

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Postby SimonR » Mon Feb 17, 2020 3:44 pm

Hi Stacy

To remember to LOOK
I haven’t used technology as a reminder at the moment but will take this on board as an idea for the future. However, there have been increasingly more times in the day when I have ‘stopped’ and remembered to do this:
The watching of thoughts in flow and the sensing of gaps, which can be quite subtle at times, gives a short spaciousness where there is no sense of an I , (a doer) just an awareness, and openness to experience and whatever comes up - very short though!

Loving

Simon

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Postby Anastacia42 » Tue Feb 18, 2020 2:28 am

Hi Simon!

That's great!
gives a short spaciousness where there is no sense of an I , (a doer) just an awareness, and openness to experience and whatever comes up - very short though!
Doership Exercise


Although you see that there is no noticer/ observer/ witness, there may still be the feeling of identification of being the ‘doer’. That it still ‘feels’ like there is a self that is the ‘chooser’.

So let’s have a look at this as it has to do with the sense of seeing.

Take a few *relaxed* breaths to let the dust settle for a while, and then:

Look on your right.

Then look on your left.

Finally, bring your head back to centre, close your eyes and look in front.

Okay, so when you look on the right, the view on the right is seen (whatever that is).

When you look on the left, the view on the left is seen (whatever that is).

And then, when you look in front of you with eyes closed, the view in front is seen (ie ‘black
space’).

So, when the view on the right is seen, do you have the ‘choice’ not to see? I’m not asking can you ‘choose’ to see something else like another view or ‘black space’ if you close your eyes.

The question is; can you turn seeing off? Can you NOT see what is seen?

Same thing with the view on the left, can you NOT see the view on the left?

Same thing with the view in front with closed eyes, can you NOT see the ‘black space’?

Can you turn off seeing?

What did the 'chooser' choose? Did a 'self' choose something?

If you are unable to choose what you're aware of, then what else is there to choose?



Have fun with that!

Loving,
~ Stacy

"Not to know there is an alternative to being lost
in thought is to be a kind of prisoner."

~ Sam Harris

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Postby SimonR » Thu Feb 20, 2020 2:14 pm

Hi Stacy
So, when the view on the right is seen, do you have the ‘choice’ not to see? I’m not asking can you ‘choose’ to see something else like another view or ‘black space’ if you close your eyes.
. No

T
he question is; can you turn seeing off? Can you NOT see what is seen?
no, it’s just there
Same thing with the view on the left, can you NOT see the view on the left?
no
Same thing with the view in front with closed eyes, can you NOT see the ‘black space’?
no, it’s just there
Can you turn off seeing?
no
What did the 'chooser' choose? Did a 'self' choose something?
no, there were no ‘choices’ made , stuff was just happening
If you are unable to choose what you're aware of, then what else is there to choose?
nothing really !
There is a sense of freedom, through not being able to have to do, choose or cling to anything

Loving,

Simon

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Postby Anastacia42 » Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:00 pm

Good morning, Simon,

Perfect, yes! A sense of freedom.

I thought I had time to post some more, but not right now. I'll be back!

Loving,
~ Stacy

"Not to know there is an alternative to being lost
in thought is to be a kind of prisoner."

~ Sam Harris

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Postby SimonR » Sat Feb 22, 2020 5:26 am

Hi Stacy

No rush. I’m flying back home today so won’t be able to reply to anything for a day or so anyway

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Simon

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Postby Anastacia42 » Sat Feb 22, 2020 5:45 pm

Good morning,

Here is another exercise for whenever you're ready. Remember, any one of these can help you to see no self. You may have heard. "Enlightenment is an accident. Meditation makes you accident prone."

These are all guided meditations.

Introductory Body Exercise

Sit with eyes closed for about 15 minutes.

Paying attention only to the pure sensations, without relying on thoughts or mental images:

Can it be known how tall the body is?

Does the body have a weight or volume?

In the actual experience does the body have a shape or a form?

Is there a boundary between the body and the clothing?

Is there a boundary between the body and the chair?

Is there an inside or an outside?

If there is an inside - the inside of what exactly?

If there is an outside - the outside of what exactly?

What does the word/label ‘body’ ACTUALLY refer to?

What is the ACTUAL experience of the body?

Look very carefully, especially with the last question.

Take your time, don’t rush. You can look several times during the day while doing other things (like washing hands, showering, having a short break from work, walking, etc) before replying.



Relax & have fun with it. Approach these with curiosity. Don't try to "get somewhere" or achieve anything. Just be with the experience.

Loving,
~ Stacy

"Not to know there is an alternative to being lost
in thought is to be a kind of prisoner."

~ Sam Harris

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Postby SimonR » Tue Feb 25, 2020 1:07 pm

Hi Stacy
Can it be known how tall the body is?

Does the body have a weight or volume?

In the actual experience does the body have a shape or a form?
No, just the 'thought' of weight, vol, shape. When I stop the thought reaction to the question, and just relate from experience, there are none of these concepts. My mind creates the shape but AE says there really is no shape
Is there a boundary between the body and the clothing?

Is there a boundary between the body and the chair
?

No, only one imagined. actual experience can find no boundary. boundary a concept of mind
Is there an inside or an outside?

If there is an inside - the inside of what exactly?

If there is an outside - the outside of what exactly?
No, again just an imagined inside and outside, Cant be found in actual experience.
What does the word/label ‘body’ ACTUALLY refer to?
a concept of an imagined separate entity
What is the ACTUAL experience of the body?

Look very carefully, especially with the last question.
Actual experience is of sensations that on examination (and without thought) are just pure sensation- no location or shape etc really. I notice that thought comes in to attempt to locate or identify sensation as 'foot' etc but this is not my actual experience.


loving,

Simon

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Postby Anastacia42 » Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:17 pm

Hi Simon,

So, tell me, is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever? How does this seem to you?



Loving,
~ Stacy

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in thought is to be a kind of prisoner."

~ Sam Harris

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Postby Anastacia42 » Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:41 pm

Hi again, Simon,

I want to give you this analogy, which you may have heard before:

It's like looking for Santa Claus. When you were little, you had thought stories about who and what Santa Claus was, but later you found out that it was your father or someone dressed up in a red suit. From then on, you could never see a "Santa Claus" and be fooled again. You knew. You had SEEN. It's just like that.

Maybe this video will help:

http://www.liberationunleashed.com/reso ... h-honesty/

Loving,
~ Stacy

"Not to know there is an alternative to being lost
in thought is to be a kind of prisoner."

~ Sam Harris

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Postby SimonR » Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:28 pm

Hi Stacy

Thanks for the video link- very interesting and helpful.
So, tell me, is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever? How does this seem to you?
I think this is where I hit a barrier of sorts. The answer is that there is no separate entity. The separation is just an invention. I get this. However, there is something that is receptive. Something that is able to receive and then, for example, 'record' this experience and, consequently, recall and write this reply. I do not sense that this receptor (awareness?) is separate however- essentially it is no different from that which it receives (if that makes sense!) but nonetheless there is something upon/in which all the experiences sit (yet is not a separate self)...

Loving,

Simon

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Postby Anastacia42 » Fri Feb 28, 2020 2:01 am

Hi,

Can you see that your answer is only content of thought?

I think
Where is this "I" and exactly how does it do this "thinking." Didn't we find that to be involuntary?
something upon/in which all the experiences sit (yet is not a separate self)...
Rest in that place "in which all experiences sit."

Don't think about it & don't worry about what to call it. Just BE it and LOOK. Relax completely & LOOK for this "self."



Loving,
~ Stacy

"Not to know there is an alternative to being lost
in thought is to be a kind of prisoner."

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Re: Registration

Postby SimonR » Sat Feb 29, 2020 10:12 am

Hi Stacy


Some further reflections (experiential!) on this :
Can you see that your answer is only content of thought?
Yes , of course
Where is this "I" and exactly how does it do this "thinking." Didn't we find that to be involuntary?
yes, ‘I’ cannot be found and ‘thoughts’ involuntary. No ‘doer’

Rest in that place "in which all experiences sit."
Don't think about it & don't worry about what to call it. Just BE it and LOOK. Relax completely & LOOK for this "self."
Yes, I get this this, but if ok I will continue with this Looking a bit longer.


Loving,

Simon

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Postby Anastacia42 » Sat Feb 29, 2020 3:38 pm

Good morning,

Yes. Keep looking until you see. I'm just here to guide.

You're doing great. Keep posing what you SEE.

Loving
~ Stacy

"Not to know there is an alternative to being lost
in thought is to be a kind of prisoner."

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