Well, this has taken a while to experience fully today.This is a good picture. And like with the 3 D images, both are there the whole time, thoughts and DE, both equal parts of it.
Or is one more important than the other?
If yes, what says so?
It would seem that DE is more important than thought.
?? Survival...it is essential to pay attention to DE when things are life threatening, living in thought land would mean not being present to danger. This is inherent in animals - the human cognitive function is relatively new from an evolutionary perspective (my personal opinion is that the development of the frontal cortex and cognition/language removed us - in our illusion - from nature). Within the amygdala lies all animal reactions and they are part of us - we are part of the animal world, we've just lost touch with it. Sooo....thoughts/thinking started with the relatively new frontal cortex and it has kept us from remaining connected to nature - the world without thought/language. Thought, from what I can see now, is interference and the more I can tune into the natural world and what is actually happening here/now, the more I can tune out from this incessant and, mostly, useless chatter!!!!!!What says so?
I really wonder now... So, if we didn't have language, we wouldn't have thought creating and analysing irrelevant data over and over again in obsessive ways. It would seem that thought is like a computer virus,plucking information from past DE's and creating a false DE in our brains to keep us from throwing thought away. This sounds a bit crazy probably but I've never sat to consider any of this quite so directly.Thoughts seem to create a bubble, a description of what everything is like, but hey, out of what?
No, not in experience.Are thoughts tangible?
No...there really can be no self, well 'I' can't find one and anyway if there was a 'self' wouldn't there be a 'self' interest not to plague ourselves with obsessive chatter!?!Is the self, which is only found in the story, the thinker of thoughts?
My answer was no to a 'self' doing the thinking. However, nice uplifting thoughts can come from being present in DE that is uplifting. But then again, that would result more in happy feelings - thought would just tag along after the fact and create an 'I' story about the DE.If yes? Shouldn't one be able to only think what one likes? Nice, uplifting thoughts?
Well, it would seem they do if one is only living in a thought illusion. Thoughts can have people accusing husbands/wives of looking at them in a way that means something insulting. Thoughts can get people in to a state of panic. Thoughts can rule the roost. It would seem that the only way thought has no power is if 'I' be the flow and just experience. Thought also has power in getting more noisy as 'I' work on detaching life happening from thought - so in this sense thoughts can be powerful but not when one has detached and can see DE (life happening) and thought as two totally detached happenings. I've certainly worked with clients who've persuaded themselves that, in spite of being severely manic depressive or schizophrenic, they can make happy things happen and that they will become the new happiness guru. They read all the happiness books and then come back worse than before - I could go into this but don't think there's a need to do so.Do thoughts have any power at all? There are books which say so, but do they?
In general Jadzia, learning is happening and that is showing me that, for the most part, thought is just an endless stream of thought about assumptions, expectations, disappointments, didactic belief systems and thought based on all of this is what seems to run this world - it's mad!Or are all this just ideas, assumptions, beliefs?
Thank you for guiding me so brilliantly. So much is being learned as we go through this.