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Re: Separating fact from fiction

Postby Vivien » Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:42 am

Hi OnlyOne,
If I'm honest, there is a lot popping up at the moment; tiredness (a lot of that), boredom, sadness, frustration etc.
Are these emotions are related to looking? If yes, could you please tell more?

The feeler cannot be found, or there is no feeler at all?
Has this really sunk in?

If there is no feeler, what is left of the self?

Please tell how does the ‘self’ is felt right here, in this moment?


Vivien
"In the seen, there is only the seen. In the heard, there is only the heard. In the sensed, there is only the sensed. You are located neither in this, nor in that, nor in any place between the two." - Buddha
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Re: Separating fact from fiction

Postby OnlyOne » Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:37 pm

Hello Vivien,
Are these emotions are related to looking? If yes, could you please tell more?
The tiredness certainly seems to be. There is an incessant searching and validation going on looking at what is real and unreal, particularly when it comes to more unpleasant emotions. This has been exhausting. As mentioned previously, this is apparent when first waking up in the morning and can last for a few hours.

The feeler cannot be found, or there is no feeler at all?
Has this really sunk in?
Not fully and it varies. At some points it is very clear (although not completely) - usually after particularly intense emotions are experienced.
If there is no feeler, what is left of the self?
The 'self' is seen to be only an idea, the degree in which it is believed or indulged in depends on the situation or circumstance.
Please tell how does the ‘self’ is felt right here, in this moment?
The 'self' is not felt. There are only sensations of things which are experienced - the keys on a keyboard, the floor underneath my feet.

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Re: Separating fact from fiction

Postby Vivien » Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:37 pm

Hi OnlyOne,
The 'self' is seen to be only an idea, the degree in which it is believed or indulged in depends on the situation or circumstance.
And what is it exactly that is believing or indulging in the idea of the self?
Where is the believer?


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Re: Separating fact from fiction

Postby OnlyOne » Fri Oct 18, 2019 6:09 pm

Hello Vivien,
And what is it exactly that is believing or indulging in the idea of the self?
Where is the believer?
I really cannot find a me-thing to which this relates.

There's a horrible depression/anxiety which seems to be kicking hard. I'm feeling monumentally tired, unable to sleep properly and feeling downright awful. As soon as I wake up, that's it, no more sleep even though it feels needed. I'm having difficulty concentrating for most of the day.

There seems to be a lot of self pity going on but I can't find a me-thing anywhere.

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Re: Separating fact from fiction

Postby Vivien » Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:16 am

Hi OnlyOne,
There's a horrible depression/anxiety which seems to be kicking hard. I'm feeling monumentally tired, unable to sleep properly and feeling downright awful. As soon as I wake up, that's it, no more sleep even though it feels needed. I'm having difficulty concentrating for most of the day.
Do you feel that it’s not the best time for this investigation?
Or that this investigation making the anxiety/depression worse?


Vivien
"In the seen, there is only the seen. In the heard, there is only the heard. In the sensed, there is only the sensed. You are located neither in this, nor in that, nor in any place between the two." - Buddha
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Re: Separating fact from fiction

Postby OnlyOne » Sat Oct 19, 2019 6:59 am

Hello Vivien,
Do you feel that it’s not the best time for this investigation?

This investigation seems right with a certainty about it and I don't appear to have any choice in it continuing anyway.

Or that this investigation making the anxiety/depression worse?

It seems that it's making everything feel much more intense.

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Re: Separating fact from fiction

Postby Vivien » Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:24 am

Hi OnlyOne,
It seems that it's making everything feel much more intense.
But are you OK with that? Can you handle the intensity?
Or would like to have some break?


I’m asking, because I don’t want you to be too overwhelmed.
And yes, the inquiry could make things more intense, since this is the first time, when thoughts and sensations are not avoided.

What would you like to do?

Vivien
"In the seen, there is only the seen. In the heard, there is only the heard. In the sensed, there is only the sensed. You are located neither in this, nor in that, nor in any place between the two." - Buddha
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Re: Separating fact from fiction

Postby OnlyOne » Wed Oct 23, 2019 9:01 am

Hello Vivien,

I've been thinking about this for the past few days. It's best that I take a break for a while.

Thanks for all your help so far, it's appreciated.

I will be back to pick up later. Hope that's ok.

Thanks.

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Re: Separating fact from fiction

Postby Vivien » Wed Oct 23, 2019 9:34 am

All right. Thank you for letting me know.

Have a nice day,
Vivien
"In the seen, there is only the seen. In the heard, there is only the heard. In the sensed, there is only the sensed. You are located neither in this, nor in that, nor in any place between the two." - Buddha
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