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Ready.....

Postby Lerae » Mon Aug 05, 2019 3:12 am

LU is focused guiding for seeing there is no real, inherent 'self' - what do you understand by this?
The understanding is that all that is temporary is not real regardless of how it seems and that what is real is always present, all inclusive and unaffected by the temporary.

What are you looking for at LU?
Guidance in becoming aware of the nature of existence and in being able to maintain that awareness despite appearances along with an ability to keep from becoming so attached to thoughts and feelings that arise in experiences.

What do you expect from a guided conversation?
There is a desire that guidance will be just what is needed to bring this awareness to light on a more regular basis and that there will be assistance in managing thoughts and feelings that are often allowed to interfere with the peace that exists around it all.

What is your experience in terms of spiritual practices, seeking and inquiry?
The last 5 years have been focused on inquiry through reading and meditation. The number of books that have been read are countless as well as the frustration with feeling that the wonderful experiences of peace will never be consistent. It always seems to be lost when having to engage with others or focus the mind on work related or finance related tasks. There is an understanding that it did not go anywhere and is always available when there is time to attend to it which means it is natural and real, however there is frustration in not being able to just let things be and reside in that peace and in becoming overly attached or contracted with these outer interactions.

On a scale from 1 to 10, how willing are you to question any currently held beliefs about 'self?
10

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Re: Ready.....

Postby Matthew » Tue Aug 06, 2019 8:16 am

Greetings, traveler!


The number of books that have been read are countless
For this inquiry to succeed, you need to put aside all books, videos, teachings and so on.
Can you do that?


thoughts and feelings that are often allowed to interfere
Once a sound appears, repeat it in thought.
Do this a few times with different sounds.

What is the difference between "real sound" and "thought sound"?


Looking forward to your reply!

Matthew
First there is a mountain,
Then there is no mountain,
Then there is.

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Re: Ready.....

Postby Lerae » Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:23 pm

Good Morning Matthew,

Yes, I can put aside all books. Should I assume that means Liberation Unleashed and the Gateless Gate that I downloaded?

There is a distinct difference between thinking of a sound and the actual sound; let me see if I can describe it....when I am hearing the sound, it is just there and I feel one with it....when the thought of the sound comes in, it is separate and definitely feels like an afterthought, not happening simultaneously. And honestly, the thought feels more distracting or irritating than the actual sound itself. :)

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Re: Ready.....

Postby Matthew » Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:33 pm

For now all books and seeking material.
There will be enough to work with here.

when I am hearing the sound, it is just there and I feel one with it
when the thought of the sound comes in, it is separate
That's a very special way of slightly inaccurate perception!
Never heard of it.

Good good!


Let's try something "sophisticated" immediately, shall we!
Just for fun.

So you can observe the sound. It's right there. It's a "thing".
You can also observe the thought. It's also a "thing", an appearance right there.


For distraction to truly exist, there must be something, that gets distracted. Right?
For irritation to truly exist, there must be something, that gets irritated. Right?


When you look now at present experience. Disregarding all knowledge.
Just looking at what is actually here:

What is it, that gets distracted by thought?
What is it, that gets irritated by thought?

Please describe that as you are actually experiencing it right now!
First there is a mountain,
Then there is no mountain,
Then there is.

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Re: Ready.....

Postby Lerae » Tue Aug 06, 2019 5:51 pm

Well that is a good question. Yes, sound and thought are objects. I don’t know what is distracted or irritated....it just appears with thought when I am trying to be peaceful. As I considered this, a train went by and there was no distraction or irritation. I noticed it but it did not affect me. I get that is what I’m seeking, however, when I have to get involved with the world again, I cannot maintain it. There are suddenly too many distractions and irritants!!

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Re: Ready.....

Postby Lerae » Tue Aug 06, 2019 6:18 pm

Ok...it is what is considered the mind that is distracted or irritated with thoughts and sounds. I must not be very sophisticated....

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Re: Ready.....

Postby Matthew » Tue Aug 06, 2019 6:34 pm

All good!

The challenge was and still is ONLY to report from present experience.
Not from knowledge, nor from assumption.

it is what is considered the mind that is distracted or irritated with thoughts and sounds
1. What exactly is that mind?
2. Where exactly is that mind?
3. Does that mind come with sensation?
If so, where and which kind of sensation?
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Then there is no mountain,
Then there is.

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Re: Ready.....

Postby Lerae » Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:21 am

When I look for the mind I can’t find it and it is wonderful.

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Re: Ready.....

Postby Matthew » Wed Aug 07, 2019 6:19 am

Beautiful!

I want you to look in the same way for a "me", "ego", "self", whatever.
What can be found?
First there is a mountain,
Then there is no mountain,
Then there is.

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Re: Ready.....

Postby Lerae » Wed Aug 07, 2019 4:32 pm

Good Morning Mathew! Thank you so much for sticking with this with me. There is no ego, it is all made up! There is no me,”! Imagining being a newborn or even someone on their deathbed is useful for getting to that place for me. Yet the habits of thinking, analyzing, judging still come up and there must be an attachment to them for them to cause disturbance and irritation. When I sit with awareness, that’s all there is and it is so beautiful! How can I remain in that place, or is that an unreasonable quest? That would be liberation for me.

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Re: Ready.....

Postby Matthew » Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:01 pm

Imagining being a newborn or even someone on their deathbed is useful for getting to that place for me.
Here's another marvelous tool:
Lay down.
Close your eyes.
Relax.
Imagine that you are just waking up from a coma. You have suffered a total amnesia.
Nothing left. No memories at all.
No name, no age, no gender, no story, no nothing.
You have no idea where you are and no idea that you are lying.
You don't know what "lying" is.
You don't even know that you have a body or what a body is to begin with.

In that state, while only attending to sensation, sound and a black vision, disregarding all thought content, have a look:
Can it be known how tall the body is?
Does the body have a specific shape or form?
How many toes do you have?

Just for your enjoyment!



How can I remain in that place, or is that an unreasonable quest?
That place or state is always present.
You don't have to remain with it. You cannot remain or not remain with it.
That place or state preceedes ALL appearances.
It preceedes even the appearance of remaining or not remaining.
How's that:
Yet the habits of thinking, analyzing, judging (...) cause disturbance and irritation
When I sit with awareness
When thinking, analysing, judging, irritation, disturbance and such things come up,
have a sharp look:

Is there a thinking awareness or is there an awareness of thinking?
Is there a disturbed experience or is there an experience of disturbance?
Is there an irritated knowing or is there a knowing of irritation?
First there is a mountain,
Then there is no mountain,
Then there is.

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Re: Ready.....

Postby Lerae » Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:48 pm

Thank you! I know this hits the mark...I just need some time to sit with it....I can tell that I have it all backwards and just need to flip the perception around....I will be in touch tomorrow. 😊

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Re: Ready.....

Postby Lerae » Thu Aug 08, 2019 5:02 pm

Matthew,
Your last three questions were right on! There is an awareness of thinking, an experience of distraction, and a knowing of irritation! I experienced different sensations yesterday throughout the day. They brought tears of joy....I could feel these sensations in my throat, head and chest area. I felt somewhat disoriented last night while things and conversations were taking place around me. I feel peaceful and unaffected right now....I’m just sitting with it to see if this sensation/experience lasts.

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Re: Ready.....

Postby Matthew » Fri Aug 09, 2019 11:34 am

You can simply relax and watch things fall into place.
Enjoy.
You can report what comes up every now and then if you want to.
First there is a mountain,
Then there is no mountain,
Then there is.

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Re: Ready.....

Postby Lerae » Fri Aug 09, 2019 5:03 pm

Thank you !!!


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