I want you to go back to the beginning of our thread and reread everything that we have done so far and redo ALL exercises we have done.
Then you can read the rest of this post and answer questions.
Where in colour, sound, smell, sensation, sound and thought can space be found?Experiencing. Other than experiencing, nothing. Space.What is there underneath all thinking? Not conceptual, not an image?
What is the AE of ‘heat’?Sound, colour, light, darkness, touch, taste, heat, breathing, movement. Nothing else.What is here right now? Move attention from mind images and thoughts to actuality, this very moment, what are you noticing? What is your direct/actual experience (AE) in each moment? LOOK! :)
What is the AE of ‘breathing’?
What is the AE of ‘movement’?
I want you to close your eyes and IGNORE all thoughts and mental images….then wave your hand about. Is movement known? Or is it AE of sensation?What is the AE of ‘typing’….break it down into AE and let me know what you find. Close your eyes and IGNORE all thoughts and mental images and just focus on actual experience (sound, sensation, smell, taste and colour). Then open your eyes and focus on actual experience with eyes open. (Go back to the apple exercise if you struggle with this).
Touch, sound, movement, thought.
What is it exactly that is seeing and reading?On opening the eyes: add seeing, reading
What is the AE of what thought labels as ‘typewritten words’?
Thought is not knowing. What does thought actually know? How does thought know itself? Thought is NOT an entity…so how can thought know itself or be knowing?Understood. I should have taken more care over my original sentence. I didn’t really mean ‘Thought…knows itself'. I understand that thought is knowing and thus cannot 'know'. What I meant was, 'thoughts refer to each other'. But I used a shorthand for that which, in this context, was incorrect and misleading.Thinking that thought knows anything would be like saying that colour knows something, and that smell knows something! Thoughts are simply phenomena that arise and subside like sound, smell, taste etc.
Thought is known…not because it is thought, but is experience seemingly appearing as thought. It is experience itself that is self-aware. Thought is not self-aware and never will be. It's the same as saying that smell is aware!
A thought is much like a piece of graffiti scribbled on a wall. Graffiti doesn't know the wall exists. It doesn't know it is appearing on the wall. It doesn't know whether its words are true or not. It doesn't know that it is saying anything. It doesn't know anything *whatsoever*. Similarly, a thought is just a bit of decoration appearing in THIS/experience. It appears. You are aware of it. But it knows nothing whatsoever about reality. And that is all there is to thought
The word/label memory does NOT point to memory…it points to AE of thought. Where in AE can ‘memory’ be found?Memories are not found in the thought ‘Memory’. ‘Memory’ is a thought / label. I got confused about this last time because of the semantics.Can ‘memory actually be found IN a thought. In other words, in the thought MEMORY where are the memories themselves found?
The word/label memory is a thought that points to ‘Memory’, which is a conceptual / imaginary receptacle where, typically, it is imagined that memories are stored; and to ‘memory’ (singular) and ‘memories’ (plural), which are thought stories assembled from actual experience.
Yes…it is AE of thought…not AE of memory.The AE of memory / memories is AE of thought.What is the AE of memory / memories?
??? You have just been saying that memories are AE of thought. Now you are saying that they simply are? There is no such thing as ‘memories’. This whole post was about you seeing that memories are simply thoughts that are appearing in this moment. Memories are just a label given to a bunch of thoughts…no different than the label ‘fruit’ that is given to a bunch of thoughts. Thought is thought. There is no hierarchy of thought.Nothing 'has' memories. Memories are not tangible and can't be 'had'. They 'are', there is no ownership. And, as has been established, there is no "I", so no possible owner either.What is it exactly that has ‘memories’…and no, it’s not a thought. Thoughts know nothing.
Yes…but you aren’t looking. It’s simple to look. Does ‘memory’ point to AE or does it point to thought about thoughts? Does the word ‘memory’ point to sound, thought, smell, taste, colour or sensation? It’s that easy to look.It points to thought.Where in AE can you find 'memory/memories'? I want you to answer from actual experience. We are learning about actual experience (AE). Please reread it and answer the question from actual experience. What is the ACTUAL EXPERIENCE (AE) of ‘memory/memories’? DOES IT POINT TO THOUGHT, SMELL, TASTE, COLOUR, SENSATION OR SOUND?
On reflection this seems a simple question. So why did it take me ages to answer it! (Ans: Because it’s new thinking. Sometimes getting past habitual thinking patterns feels like pulling a nail out of a plank with bare fingers.)
What?? How did you jump to this conclusion? Are you not aware of everything that appears? I DO not exist and I DOES not exist are two vastly different things. If it is not you that is aware of these words…than what is it? The “I” that you think you are does not exist…but you (not Glenn) certainly do exist. If not…then how could you be aware of anything?No. There is knowing, but nothing can be known, because in the absence of ‘I’ there is no knower.So what is known…what is actually here/appearing is label + colour + sensation + thoughts. However, is a cup actually known?
Put aside EVERYTHING you think you know….please and simply LOOK at what is being pointed at.
The paradox being that there really are no past experiences. When do the thoughts about the past actually appear? Where is the actual evidence that they appeared in something called the past?‘A cup’ is only AE of thought about ‘a cup’. ‘A cup’ and the other labels you mentioned were assembled by thought from a conflation of past experiences. When similar experiences are encountered in the present it gives rise to ‘recognition’, literally ‘thinking again’, which is really memory (intangible thought stories) superimposed on actual experience (real). The only part of that equation that’s real is actual experience: touch, colour, etc.
What physical object? Please go back and do the apple exercise and let me know what you find.This makes straightforward sense, but resistant thinking persists along the lines of: ‘OK, you can deconstruct a cup but if you then put those attributes back together, you’re still left with a physical object, whether you label it or not.’
Are these beliefs truly held by you, or are they simply known to you as thoughts ABOUT beliefs? Are they truly deeply ingrained, or is it just a thought making that claim?It’s important to say that I do accept that there is only actual experience and subsequent interpretation of it by thought, but there’s a big concrete boulder on the path towards that notion really sinking in. Old thought patterns are so deeply ingrained.
You are not seeing your beliefs, instead your beliefs are telling you what to see. This is the simple difference between confusion and clarity.As you will have noticed, I’m only half-baked on this line of thinking at present and I realise it needs more application. So please don’t take this paragraph as my concluding word on the subject. I’m Just sharing the thought process, however intermediate it might be, so you’ve got a proper picture of where I am.
Here's an exercise that I would like you to try as many times throughout the day as you can, for the next 2-3 days. Label daily activities, objects and emotions simply colour, sound, smell, taste, sensation, thought.
So for example, when having breakfast, become aware of:
Seeing a cup, simply= image/colour
Smelling coffee, simply = smell,
Feeling the warmth of the coffee cup, simply = sensation.
Tasting the coffee, simply = taste
Hearing the spoon stirring the coffee, simply = sound
Thought about drinking the coffee, simply = thought.
Just break down daily activities into these categories (which are all actual experience) and report back how you go, giving some examples please.