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Re: Help me see reality - Guide request : adilerten

Postby Tiger01 » Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:41 pm

Mind went blank and attention/seeing was confused as to where to look so it went like a helpless kid.. here there
Then noticing the sensations... And that was all that came up


I am sorry. I watched a few other Rupert Spira videos and the one that was with the question "Am I aware".. which was fascinating! And i wanted to let you know of my experience..
There is knowing that i am not JUST the colors, sensations or thoughts or a blank slate

Then there is knowing that I am here... around or behind the eyes(for comms)...
But does it have objective qualities.. no
so can i say it's limited... no; but can i say it's unlimited... no; but it is here

Maybe it's attention itself that i am... Bcz when attention does not have objects .. it feels at peace and relaxed
When the sounds get noisy, attention gets agitated and it feels like i am agitated...

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Re: Help me see reality - Guide request : adilerten

Postby Tiger01 » Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:08 pm

Close your eyes after reading this paragraph and find that which is always present. Feelings of aliveness, aware being-ness, ‘I am’ stay with the feeling. Is it personal? It feels personal because for all those years you thought that you exist as a separate being. It’s a sense plus labeling of the mind as “me”.
I came across this message on the website you provided. This is the most appropriate manner of putting my experience into words. This feeling is personal and seems to be located in the head or around eyes. But does that mean its not somewhere else.. no. Maybe this is the feeling that is creating the sense of separateness

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Postby Tiger01 » Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:55 am

Honestly, there is a feeling of separation.. And bcz of that, the belief of free will or separation exists intrinsically

Topics below
There is still belief in the background ... but i won't give up cuz the tool of AE unravels belief.. I'll look
What was a hard surface like a rock has melted and feels like a veil

2-I AM / HAVE / IN THIS BODY OR MIND,
4-THERE IS CONTROL, I CAN CONTROL THINGS
5-I HAVE FREE WILL,
6-I CAN DECIDE - CHOOSE THINGS,
7-YESTERDAY, TOMORROW, NOW, PAST FUTURE HISTORY ETC. IS REAL


The below beliefs seem true. But idk how to articulate them.. it's not objective like a "body" or "some body"

8-THERE ARE OTHERS AND I AM SEPARATE THEN THEM"
3-THERE IS A CENTER EXPERIENCING LIFE,
9-THERE IS A FEELING AND IT IS A PROOF OF A SEPERATE I / SELF / ME

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Re: Help me see reality - Guide request : adilerten

Postby adilerten » Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:34 pm

Honestly, there is a feeling of separation.. And bcz of that, the belief of free will or separation exists intrinsically

Topics below
There is still belief in the background ... but i won't give up cuz the tool of AE unravels belief.. I'll look
What was a hard surface like a rock has melted and feels like a veil

2-I AM / HAVE / IN THIS BODY OR MIND,
4-THERE IS CONTROL, I CAN CONTROL THINGS
5-I HAVE FREE WILL,
6-I CAN DECIDE - CHOOSE THINGS,
7-YESTERDAY, TOMORROW, NOW, PAST FUTURE HISTORY ETC. IS REAL


The below beliefs seem true. But idk how to articulate them.. it's not objective like a "body" or "some body"

8-THERE ARE OTHERS AND I AM SEPARATE THEN THEM"
3-THERE IS A CENTER EXPERIENCING LIFE,
9-THERE IS A FEELING AND IT IS A PROOF OF A SEPERATE I / SELF / ME
thanks for your honest answers, it is important for us to seek a deeper realization on these issues.
let's go on looking..
Events happen, deeds are done, but there is no individual doer thereof."
Buddha

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Postby adilerten » Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:48 pm

Close your eyes after reading this paragraph and find that which is always present. Feelings of aliveness, aware being-ness, ‘I am’ stay with the feeling. Is it personal? It feels personal because for all those years you thought that you exist as a separate being. It’s a sense plus labeling of the mind as “me”.
I came across this message on the website you provided. This is the most appropriate manner of putting my experience into words. This feeling is personal and seems to be located in the head or around eyes. But does that mean its not somewhere else.. no. Maybe this is the feeling that is creating the sense of separateness
Dear Tiger. You are thinking. Not looking.
When it is looked it is obvious that here is no self in the head or around eyes. And feeling knows /suggests anything about a me.
Just look. No need for theories. No need for maybe/seems like / feels like.
Just look. Thinking is just more thoughts. It is so simple that is why it is overlooked.
It is not a big deal that there is a feeling of a self..
Look like you are looking your keys in your pocket..
When i ask you where are your keys ?
Do you think for hours or you simply reach your pocket and touch to understand! This is looking!
You may have a feeling that it is in your pocket, you can say for hours i feel that it is there, yes i feel it, but why not touch and see ?
So i am simply asking one more time..

Be simple,

Can you touch/smell/see/hear this self ?
If no
Does it exist ?
Events happen, deeds are done, but there is no individual doer thereof."
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Re: Help me see reality - Guide request : adilerten

Postby adilerten » Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:55 pm

Go out into nature and spend some time watching the movement of the whole.

Sit some bench..

See how clouds move, trees swing, leaves wiggle, grass moves, insects, birds - all move all the time.

Then move focus to sensations and see how they too are in constant motion, thoughts come and go, sounds, colours, sensations come and go.

Notice that everything is part of one movement.

Then close your eyes and see if there is a line between you and out there, between you and life itself.
If yes, where is the boundary? Is there an inside and an outside of Life?
Is there something which is not included in the movement of the whole?
Is there a witness that is watching life happening from a distance?
Is witnessing part of the one movement too?
Is there anything which is not just happening?


Go out, come back and tell me what you found..

Sending love.
Events happen, deeds are done, but there is no individual doer thereof."
Buddha

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Postby adilerten » Fri Jan 25, 2019 1:48 pm

Tiger ?
Events happen, deeds are done, but there is no individual doer thereof."
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Re: Help me see reality - Guide request : adilerten

Postby Tiger01 » Fri Jan 25, 2019 4:34 pm

Hi Adil, I'll get back in day :)

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Re: Help me see reality - Guide request : adilerten

Postby adilerten » Mon Jan 28, 2019 11:08 am

Hi Adil, I'll get back in day :)
you did not get back Tiger,
How do you feel ?
If you feel like taking a break please tell me to get new clients..
Thank you
Events happen, deeds are done, but there is no individual doer thereof."
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Re: Help me see reality - Guide request : adilerten

Postby Tiger01 » Mon Jan 28, 2019 3:16 pm

I want to spend more time with the AE before I move to a conclusion... Shall get back to this thread in a few days, if that's all right?

Thank you

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Postby Tiger01 » Mon Jan 28, 2019 3:23 pm

And I did the experiment you suggested and the experience was as follows

I did the exercise with eyes open first and

thought seems to be happening in me
sensations seem to be happening to me
sounds seem to be happening around me
whatever that me is

then i closed my eyes... there are no barriers ... thought sensation sound seem to exist .. and that was all the information i could derive


if attention/eyes/focus moves on them they exist if not.. nope ; attention & eyes are closely related

I tried to jump into a conclusion that attention is "me" or the source of attention is "me".... Then noticed I(whatever that is) is aware of even this movement of attention...

SO i am just looking at the AE.. nothing more .. Also i came to realize just bcz i am not enlightened i don't have to suffer or make my day bad or get frustrated... Its just a pesky little thought.. Its fine

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Postby adilerten » Tue Jan 29, 2019 3:05 pm

And I did the experiment you suggested and the experience was as follows

I did the exercise with eyes open first and

thought seems to be happening in me
sensations seem to be happening to me
sounds seem to be happening around me
whatever that me is

then i closed my eyes... there are no barriers ... thought sensation sound seem to exist .. and that was all the information i could derive


if attention/eyes/focus moves on them they exist if not.. nope ; attention & eyes are closely related

I tried to jump into a conclusion that attention is "me" or the source of attention is "me".... Then noticed I(whatever that is) is aware of even this movement of attention...

SO i am just looking at the AE.. nothing more .. Also i came to realize just bcz i am not enlightened i don't have to suffer or make my day bad or get frustrated... Its just a pesky little thought.. Its fine
Yes.
Closest thing to truth we can say is awareness is aware or experience is self aware.
There is no real you / self / center but the experience.
And it is aware of itself..

Can you see ?
Events happen, deeds are done, but there is no individual doer thereof."
Buddha

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Re: Help me see reality - Guide request : adilerten

Postby adilerten » Tue Jan 29, 2019 3:06 pm

I want to spend more time with the AE before I move to a conclusion... Shall get back to this thread in a few days, if that's all right?

Thank you
If you can't make your own investigation and looking through the day, daily messaging is needed here.
But if you do don't worry, write whenever you want to..
;)
Events happen, deeds are done, but there is no individual doer thereof."
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Re: Help me see reality - Guide request : adilerten

Postby adilerten » Tue Jan 29, 2019 3:12 pm

tell me please when you are ready to go on..
Events happen, deeds are done, but there is no individual doer thereof."
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Re: Help me see reality - Guide request : adilerten

Postby Tiger01 » Tue Jan 29, 2019 4:42 pm

These words such as awareness or life or knowing seem so esoteric... and seems very misleading...

In experience i can just say, if attention is on an object then the object exists in experience...
If not, attention is on this blank slate or blank light/dark(depends)

And as attention moves around objects.. i have a sense that i am moving.. it makes me believe that i am somehow related to this movement ... that is the experience .. i know you will say, look if there is someone or something that you can touch or see or smell... I'm trying to look at it.... That is why i'm taking a few extra days to look at whats happening


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