That was is already is

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That was is already is

Postby Dt111 » Sun Apr 08, 2018 1:12 pm

What are you looking for at LU?
Clarification, understanding, guidance in the no self concept. To be able to only be present in the now. How to implement that into everday life that is and has been based on thoughts past and future.


What do you expect from a guided conversation?
As above and guidance. To be directed to a better understandung of no self in a self absorbed society. How to just be.. in relationships with others that do not practise the same isness. How to let go of preconceived ideas


What is your experience in terms of spiritual practices, seeking and inquiry?
Spent a couple yrs looking...really looking at connecting with the soul. Read many books on consciousness, self awarenes. Understanding thought processes. I have no belief in a god as being a separate entity. My only belief was one of an energy or soul


On a scale from 1 to 10, how willing are you to question any currently held beliefs about 'self?
9

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Re: That was is already is

Postby Matthew » Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:09 pm

Hi there!

Let us continue here.

To be able to only be present in the now.
Is that still a thing?
Wanting to be present in the now.
Is there anything else than the here and the now?
First there is a mountain,
Then there is no mountain,
Then there is.

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Re: That was is already is

Postby Dt111 » Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:12 pm

The now being what is...and already was

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Re: That was is already is

Postby Matthew » Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:16 pm

If there are any unclarities left concerning the illusion of a separate self, now is the best time to look at them.
Only if!
Or can you give me a big fat "YES" that the illusion of a separate self was seen through?
First there is a mountain,
Then there is no mountain,
Then there is.

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Re: That was is already is

Postby Dt111 » Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:17 pm

Hi there!

Let us continue here.

To be able to only be present in the now.
Is that still a thing?
Wanting to be present in the now.
Is there anything else than the here and the now?
The now being what is and already was. And no it was always the case

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Re: That was is already is

Postby Dt111 » Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:22 pm

If there are any unclarities left concerning the illusion of a separate self, now is the best time to look at them.
Only if!
Or can you give me a big fat "YES" that the illusion of a separate self was seen through?
Big fat singing Yes to seeing the self as an illusion.

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Re: That was is already is

Postby Dt111 » Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:24 pm

If there are any unclarities left concerning the illusion of a separate self, now is the best time to look at them.
Only if!
Or can you give me a big fat "YES" that the illusion of a separate self was seen through?
Big fat singing Yes to seeing the self as an illusion.
Also grattitude for the guidance even though neither of those exist either 😁

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Re: That was is already is

Postby Matthew » Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:28 pm

It was a nice story about a "me" on its path to realisation.
And it was a nice story about a "someone", who was being guided.
Wasn't it? :D
First there is a mountain,
Then there is no mountain,
Then there is.

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Re: That was is already is

Postby Dt111 » Mon Apr 09, 2018 10:38 pm

It was a nice story about a "me" on its path to realisation.
And it was a nice story about a "someone", who was being guided.
Wasn't it? :D
Yes it was Matthew 😁. Any possible question now which of course is imagined crumbles in what is.......

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Re: That was is already is

Postby Matthew » Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:06 pm

No more questions for now.

In the next days I'd like you to report just a little what is coming up in daily life.

What changes?
What stays the same?


Looking very much forward to that!
First there is a mountain,
Then there is no mountain,
Then there is.

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Re: That was is already is

Postby Dt111 » Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:12 pm

No more questions for now.

In the next days I'd like you to report just a little what is coming up in daily life.

What changes?
What stays the same?


Looking very much forward to that!
Absolutely! 😁

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Re: That was is already is

Postby Dt111 » Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:00 am

No more questions for now.

In the next days I'd like you to report just a little what is coming up in daily life.

What changes?
What stays the same?


Looking very much forward to that!
Absolutely! 😁

Matthew.

Few things ive noticed. Calmness in all situations happening. Seeing things as they are without thought content. And thought content seen but not acted upon as there is no i to act.
Noticing changes in interactions with others. Pleasant and not so pleasant.
something to clarify please is can you elaborate more on the difference between thought and thought content. Many thanks
Tash

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Re: That was is already is

Postby Matthew » Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:26 am

Sure!

Thought at face value is actual experience.
It can be observed in the same way as the sunrise can be observed.
It is clearly experienced in the same way as the singing of a bird is experienced.

What is NOT actual experience is the content of thought.
It does not exist in reality. It's just imagination.
And yes, it is that simple!


Like when there is a thought about a candle.
Bring up the picture of a candle.
The thought "candle" can be observed. It exists.

What does NOT exist, however, is "the candle".
It is just imagination, it cannot lighten the room.

You cannot bath in a thought river.


So what does that mean for thoughts about a "self".
Thoughts about a self arise, they can be observed.
But what they are about, this content can never be found in reality.
The "self", "ego" or whatever was just an imagination played out in thought.


Was that clear enough?
First there is a mountain,
Then there is no mountain,
Then there is.

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Re: That was is already is

Postby Dt111 » Thu Apr 12, 2018 10:50 am

Sure!

Thought at face value is actual experience.
It can be observed in the same way as the sunrise can be observed.
It is clearly experienced in the same way as the singing of a bird is experienced.

What is NOT actual experience is the content of thought.
It does not exist in reality. It's just imagination.
And yes, it is that simple!


Like when there is a thought about a candle.
Bring up the picture of a candle.
The thought "candle" can be observed. It exists.

What does NOT exist, however, is "the candle".
It is just imagination, it cannot lighten the room.

You cannot bath in a thought river.


So what does that mean for thoughts about a "self".
Thoughts about a self arise, they can be observed.
But what they are about, this content can never be found in reality.
The "self", "ego" or whatever was just an imagination played out in thought.


Was that clear enough?
So objects exist but any story made up about them does not. Its just a series of labels which are imagined? What is real is what can be observed through the senses? Being seeing, hearing, tasting, thought without content and physical sensations?

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Re: That was is already is

Postby Matthew » Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:59 pm

It seems that you are trying to grasp something intellectually.
It is very very simple.


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What do you SEE here?
First there is a mountain,
Then there is no mountain,
Then there is.


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