Please learn how to use the quote function, as you are quoting me with words i have not said or quoting without specifying who said what.
And, you missed all of these of which i would appreciate a response.
The following was me letting you know what we do here at LU:
(2)We ask them questions and request that they answer with honesty and from their own experience.
2: To which i have done. Why...do you you percieve i haven't?
Because you haven’t seen one thing we have pointed you to yet, but don’t worry, we’ll work on that.
You appear to be accusing me of being dishonest and or not expressing my own experiences.
So if you and i look at a painting in a gallery, and you share your opinion of it and i share mine, but mine is different from yours, you equate that to me lying?
We are not looking for your thoughts about the pointers or exercises. Or at least not just your thoughts about them. Your OBSERVATIONS are the most important thing to report back to us. A description of what you saw when you did the exercise, not what you thought about it.
Still not understanding you Chris.
If i am to express my OBSERVATIONS without using my mind to have thoughts to generate words to write, how am i report back to you?
My thoughts about it are my descriptions of what i saw, the same as "there is no self" are your thoughts describing what you see.
So far, from your posts I have read, it’s all about what you think and why you think it. We have helped hundreds of people see this and I can tell from your replies, you are not really looking.
Again with the accusations.
Before, if i see something different to you, i am a liar, here, if i see something different, i am simply not looking.
I have not seen you report back with anything that resembles an honest description of what you have directly experienced.
Again with the accustions.
Are you saying you have the ability to experience my experiences, to see through my eyes?
Of course not, that would be silly.
A simpler explanation of your repeated accusations is that when I see something different to you, because you believe so much that there is no self, the only thought you can generate is i must be lying or blind.
It’s all interpreted. No raw data.
If memory serves me correct, raw data is obtained by the five senses only.
So tell me Chris, of which of your five senses do you share everything you have in this thread?
In your posts it seems quite clear that you have made your conclusions about what you observed based on your current beliefs about how the world works.
Just as have you. Everyone does this.
That technique, or whatever you want to call it is not going to get you anywhere with this.
That is your opinion and you are free to have it and share it and i welcome it.
However, my observation is that i am making continuous progress.
I cannot do anything about what you observe.
You believe there is a self that owns the body and brain. Where is it? Can you see it? Can you touch it? Can you point it out to me?
I currently conclude i am a conscious being that is associated\connected with my body and mind, yes.
With what do you conclude there is no self?
When I watch my thoughts, I see that they are triggered by either some sort of external stimulus or other internal thoughts and not by a self, a thinker who creates and controls them.
This looks to me that you simply lack self awareness.
A trigger is an event that affects something other than itself.
In the context of this discussion, this something is commonly referred to as the self.
ie "that event triggered a feeling or thought in me"
You say "when i watch my thoughts"...whose thoughts? who is watching?...you said "I"...and that looks like a self to me.
Until you see this for yourself, the things I say about it will be paradoxical. I can’t explain this to you. What I can do is point you where to look. It is up to you to look.
This does not compute. You point by explaining.
Also, I am looking, though of course you believe i am not, but that's your interpretation only.
I know I am looking. I am the one experiencing looking. All you can do is interpret my words and assume i am not looking.
And you assume i am not looking because i see something differently to you.
My interpretation is different to yours, but you believe your interpretation is correct and mine not.
"Mindfulness refers to keeping one's consciousness alive to the present reality. It is the miracle by which we master and restore ourselves." - Thich Nhat Hanh
"Let's not jump to conclusions" - Mike - MST3K