awakening vs enlightenment

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Re: awakening vs enlightenment

Postby rajeshpullat » Sat Oct 21, 2017 6:47 am

the truth is i am not doing it
it is just happening
i am the witness of all

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Re: awakening vs enlightenment

Postby Lucas369 » Sat Oct 21, 2017 7:17 pm

the truth is i am not doing it
it is just happening
i am the witness of all


Go and find this 'witness'!
What form or shape does he have?
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Re: awakening vs enlightenment

Postby rajeshpullat » Sun Oct 22, 2017 12:11 am

it doesnt have any shape or form
cannot describe it by any means
it is something and nothing at the same time

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Re: awakening vs enlightenment

Postby Lucas369 » Sun Oct 22, 2017 4:12 pm

Go and find this 'witness'!
What form or shape does he have?
it is something and nothing at the same time

Can you explain that a bit more detailed? I don't understand it.
The witness is something and nothing at the same time... When it is 'something' - WHAT is it? Is there really 'something'?
Investigate! Don't write what you think, but what you experience NOW!


Even if it can't be put into words - try as best you can!
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Re: awakening vs enlightenment

Postby rajeshpullat » Sun Oct 22, 2017 5:18 pm

hi
it is something because it is self aware and nothing because there is no substance to it
you can say there is something because there is an experience of manifestation....may be it is illusion...but still there is an experiencing

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Re: awakening vs enlightenment

Postby Lucas369 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:56 pm

it is something because it is self aware

'Self-aware' means that there is a 'self' to be aware. Is there a 'self' in your DE right now? Or is it just awareness?
Is this awareness something personal?
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Re: awakening vs enlightenment

Postby rajeshpullat » Tue Oct 24, 2017 5:18 am

the self to be aware of is not the personal self but awareness itself
this awareness is not personal...it is just a happening

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Re: awakening vs enlightenment

Postby Lucas369 » Tue Oct 24, 2017 7:40 pm

the self to be aware of is not the personal self but awareness itself
this awareness is not personal...it is just a happening

If this awareness is not personal, then there is no 'me' inside it, right?

hi
there is really no ME
just thoughts, feelings and images going on the screen of awareness like a happening, no seer and seen ...just seeing
Rajesh
(Wed Oct 18)


If the 'me' is not the awareness and if the 'me' is not inside the thoughts, feelings, images:
Where is it?
Is there 'I'/'me'/'mine'???
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Re: awakening vs enlightenment

Postby rajeshpullat » Wed Oct 25, 2017 5:08 am

Hi
ofcourse there ins no me anywhere
you can say there is an I which is everything
Rajesh

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Re: awakening vs enlightenment

Postby Lucas369 » Wed Oct 25, 2017 7:16 pm

you can say there is an I which is everything

When you are standing in a pedestrian zone with people all around you: Is 'I' everything? Are you the other people? The cars? The noise? The cafés?

Or is there a line between inside and outside?
Is there a boundary between 'me' and 'the world'?
Where exactly is it? Find out!
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Re: awakening vs enlightenment

Postby rajeshpullat » Thu Oct 26, 2017 5:36 am

Hi
when i am fully present there is no difference between inside and outside
But, when thoughts come along with identification with body and mind there is a ME and OTHER
RAjesh

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Re: awakening vs enlightenment

Postby Lucas369 » Thu Oct 26, 2017 2:07 pm

when i am fully present there is no difference between inside and outside
But, when thoughts come along with identification with body and mind there is a ME and OTHER

Exactly! That's how it works! Boundaries are just labels, assigned by thoughts.

you can say there is an I which is everything

So is it right to say that the "I is everything" when the 'I' only shows up together with the thoughts about boundaries?
You see! You said that when there is a ME there are the OTHERS at the same time. So ME can't be everything when there are OTHERS...

And on the other hand without thoughts about boundaries there is EVERYTHING - but no ME...

So, the ME is just a thought?
Is it real?
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Re: awakening vs enlightenment

Postby rajeshpullat » Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:05 pm

Hi
yes, the ME is just a thought for sure
as nisargadatta said...when i look out i am everything and when i look inside i am nothing
Rajesh

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Re: awakening vs enlightenment

Postby Lucas369 » Fri Oct 27, 2017 3:30 pm

When ME is just a thought... is there inside and outside?
Is there 'everything' and 'nothing'?
Right here in direct experience?
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Re: awakening vs enlightenment

Postby rajeshpullat » Fri Oct 27, 2017 5:16 pm

the ME is always a thought and whenever the ME comes there is ME and others
not everything and nothing
when i say there is everything i mean the whole sense perception as one unit (not individual others)
Rajesh


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