The Gate

Thank you Vince I ''ll try not to create a story about what is happening...
the " above thing" was obvious as meaningless today, (may be confusion comes from the fact that activation is happening in the brain + believes stuff about blessings).could you help me on that point... Are blessings a story? Is there a someone who one relative way before the realization can be blessed? Is there a God or a Deity who can give a blessing. in case is it all bullshit why most of spiritual paths are telling us about that?

better to say spaceness without center today for what has appeared has a short moment for the mind when he has reappered.

Look only at first thoughts. Any thoughts that arise from the first thought is bound to be part of a story. First thoughts describe (poorly) experiencing. Consequent thoughts relate to memory and opinions.

Does the first thought relate to the subconcious? Is there a subconcious? if yes is it a kind of ground whithout any identification with the I?
While half asleep there are sometimes both awareness of the body not moving and the awareness of a an I doing something somewhere else, is it a story?

finally it is may be a natural process that spiritual paths are happening... it is may be part of the asleep global mind game to create this... please don't pay attention to my questions about that...

there is something almost strange, i am quietly amazed looking at this mind, at all those questions i am asking to you...
they all pop up a bit widely... gosh...

I'll try not to create a story about what is happening...

nikam, that's an impossibility. The basic function of mind it to create stories. Applying meaning and labels is part of that. No, just notice what is story and what is reality (before story is believed).

Are blessings a story?

The criteria for recognising what is story, is to ask "will it still exist when/if it is not believed. Stories require belief, reality doesn't.
Now, don't get this wrong, stories may turn out to be true or not. They are sometimes very useful. Sometimes necessary. Often none of the above.
We are not trying to stop stories, just recognise them for what they are, before belief in them distorts reality.
This leads us directly to your question about the existence of a subconscious.
If you apply the above criteria, there is no clear answer. Does a subconscious exist if i don't believe in it. The answer is No, but... what about the behavior that i ascribed to subconscious ? Simple answer is that it is unknown. However, i have a story, (that i recognise as a story and will tweak and use until a better one comes along or direct experience show otherwise) that goes like this; When something is unequivocally believed, usually with many repetitions, then mind gives it permission to be acted on without consultation. That is there is no need for it to touch awareness. It is deemed safe and practical for the organism to simple do it. eg. there is no need for awareness to be involved in tying shoelaces (unless they happen to have knotted)
Ironically, many things we consider need consultation with aware mind, do not. A lot of mental energy used for daily navigation is totally unnecessary as the organism is quite capable of taking care of it automatically, but this the mind finds a threat to its' importance, so it takes ownership even though it didn't even come along until afterwards.

i am quietly amazed looking at this mind, at all those questions i am asking to you...
they all pop up a bit widely... gosh...

Yes, a vivid reminder that thoughts just arise and are not generated by 'self'.

Does the first thought relate to the subconcious?

In light of the above, i would say that first thought is the way the organism communicates awareness. It is a direct response from the biological to the mental. (story)

Is there a God or a Deity who can give a blessing.

The most recent story here is that NOTHING is separate. Absolutely everything (everybody), known and unknown are all part of the One.
Only mind wants to separate and compartmentalize and label so that it can (believe) understand. (control)
Does that make you God, or God you ? What we do here at Liberation Unleashed is what all religions, or rather the persons teachings who a religion was built upon, is the same. Of course, political corruption occurred within 5 minutes of their death.

it is clearer Vince Thank you
I phrased very badly "I"ll try not create"... it was in fact not to add something (an assumption) to a phenomena ("activation" in the brain )+ assumption (coming from above = blessing)
but your your answer has helped to refocused on what is the job here. interesting to see how i am functioning...Noticing is there quite often and i make things complicated just because it has been an ongoing habit. i look for simplicity and destitution but when it is there i think this not valuable enough and add something just to put me in the mess(lost in search through various paths, practices, jugements towards, victimization and so one), to suffer because of it and look again for stilness. Tricky, it is seen now
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further more there was a powerful belief which only allowed me to appreciate what is, stillness only through extremes and/or after a necessary hard work, the more painful it was the more stillness was allowed to be and appreciated.
it can be still at all time

seeing does not need anybody

it can be still at all time

say more on this...

seeing = allowance, why to care about what's going in one in the body, in the mind and so one...seeing that's all, and stillness is, whatever happens even if it is the mess in the mind, the body and the world. if for any reason it is forgotten it is fine too. Remembering is there

hello vince

in the process of noticing
The i can't be find in any shape or form as a permanent entity
However the assumption as the i is existing due to the "continum"of thoughts, feelings, sensations is at work.
The continum makes the illusion as real, strong habit
when seeing happens this continum is stopped and what seems to happen is a reintegration of thoughts, feelings, sensations as whole one pointed thing gobal awareness where the intention of focusing is absent

is it a wrong track?

little mistake, this is not the continum which is stopped but the assumption. Thoughts, feelings, sensations are seen as things-events appearing in global awareness. the rythm of apparition seems slow down, the same for the outside world. feeling of the whole life process at the same speed and in slow motion at the same time, this specific thing seems very much connected to the awareness in the chest. Beauty, peace, sweet love and sense of care for what is appearing in awareness

nikam, what are your current views on the following;
1) Is there a 'me', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever? how about self, is there anything that is separate from everything else?

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works.

3) How does it feel to see this? describe in detail.

4) How would you describe it to somebody who has never heard about this illusion but is curious about it.

5) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look? was there a specific moment when seeing happened or was it gradual? what exactly happened?

6) When you say "I", what are you referring to?

7) Is there an experiencer experiencing, or is there only experience?

Actually look. Does experience belong to the body, or does the body belong to experience?

8) What did you experience at the moment you awoke?

9) Describe your experience in the hours and days following awakening

Welcome back Nikam.
Just peruse the questions asked in the last post, but don't bother answering them yet.
Just tell of what you refer to when you use the word I.

Welcome back Nikam.
Just peruse the questions asked in the last post, but don't bother answering them yet.
Just tell of what you refer to when you use the word I.

Thank you vince :-)
I is now refering more to an awarness of a story, more especially for past events. The present still remains vivid as an identification with the I according to what's going on emotionely. The "now, let go" is quiet efficient however and it is easier to do when the connexion with the ground is good.
Refering to this i am wondering if to be well "settled" from an energetic point of view is not a pre-requisit to SEE?
i guess seeing can happen in chaos or harmony, and THAT is beyond, it is more an intuition than an "experiencing". Sometimes the mind seems to be plugged in which seems like a thunderstorm for few seconds. It is different than a seeing with a subtle witness seeing the seeing. Actually there is nothing, no mind, can't survive to the plugg in the power point, the body is still processing, there is no fainting fit, extasy, bliss.