liberation

[sensey]

Very good. Now staying with this sensation in the chest... is it saying “fear” or is that added by thought afterward?

it is is just a sensation and thought is telling that it is fear.

Does the sensation itself resist being there?

no, it doesn't

Is there an “I” inside it? Behind it? Is there anything this trembling is protecting? Take a look...

it is looks like protection of "I" thought.

[graceabounds]

Is I thought centered in a particular spot in or around the body?
Does I thought need protecting?

[sensey]

Is I thought centered in a particular spot in or around the body?

No. I can't find. Sometimes thought arise that I thought in the head or in the chest. But it is just thought.

Does I thought need protecting?

It seems like I thought want to exist. And want protection. Like it want to be hidden. It doesn't want to be discovered that there is no I.

[graceabounds]

:) well there already is no I...

A thought appears saying:
“I want to exist.” or "I need protection.”
Does that thought itself want anything? Or is it merely words appearing, with a sensation in the body?
Without the story is there anything hiding?

Who knows that it does not want to be discovered?

[sensey]

These questions blow my mind =)

A thought appears saying:
“I want to exist.” or "I need protection.”
Does that thought itself want anything? Or is it merely words appearing, with a sensation in the body?
Without the story is there anything hiding?

Any thoughts don't want anything. They just appear. with sensation in the body. But another thoughts can comment that they want something. But it is not true.

Who knows that it does not want to be discovered?

nobody knows. it is just a thought appeared that it doesn't want to be discovered.

there is some deep feeling after answering this questions. thoughts appear very slowly. there is some feeling in the body. even breath become more slow and heavy

[graceabounds]

Is the deep feeling still accessible?

When a thought arises, who is it for?
 Who hears it?
 Is there a listener?

[sensey]

Is the deep feeling still accessible?

When a thought arises, who is it for?


it is just arise.

Who hears it?
 Is there a listener?

listening is happening. no listener. Thoughts are just arise. For no one.
It is interesting. When there is no attention then automatic "I" thought comes. If attention is there there is no "I".

[sensey]

Is the deep feeling still accessible?

yes. it is still here.

When a thought arises, who is it for?


it is just arise.

Who hears it?
 Is there a listener?

listening is happening. no listener. Thoughts are just arise. For no one.
It is interesting. When there is no attention then automatic "I" thought comes. If attention is there there is no "I".

[graceabounds]

Good. When the “I” thought appears did you create it, or did it just show up?

And when attention is present, are you doing attention, or is attention simply there without effort?

Check directly rather than from memory. :)

[sensey]

When the “I” thought appears did you create it, or did it just show up?

I didn,t create it.

And when attention is present, are you doing attention, or is attention simply there without effort?

I don't do attention. It is just here. I can't find who is doing attention. But it is here. And sometimes attention dissappear, automatical thoughts come. Then attention comes and thought can say "There was no attention and now it comes".

[graceabounds]

When attention “disappears” do you see it disappear in that moment or is that only known later, as a thought saying “attention was gone”?

Without that thought, is there any boundary where “attention was absent” and “now it is present”?

Or is there just whatever is happening…
and then a thought AFTER stitching a timeline onto it?

[sensey]

When attention “disappears” do you see it disappear in that moment or is that only known later, as a thought saying “attention was gone”?

no. that only known later. thought comes and says "attention was gone"

Without that thought, is there any boundary where “attention was absent” and “now it is present”?

No boundaries. without this thought nobody mentions that there was attention or not.

Or is there just whatever is happening…
and then a thought AFTER stitching a timeline onto it?

yes. exactly like this. happening what is happening. that is all. after that comments might come that there was no attention.

[graceabounds]

I’m curious if there has been any change in daily ordinary life since before we began this dialogue?
How is life being met?

[sensey]

I’m curious if there has been any change in daily ordinary life since before we began this dialogue?
How is life being met?

Hi Becca. I am very greateful for our dialogue. Thanks a lot. English is not my mother tounge. That is why I have some difficulties to express fully myself. And also I did't understand should I reply just in short or better to write in more details. Please tell me about this also.
Since we started our dialogue I see changes. I really see that there is no 'I'. And I have less worries. Sometimes I want to share what I have discovered but when I tried others can't catch it. Only by intellect and not by experience. And I stoped to try to explain. Life is more peaceful now. Yesterday I felt some negative. I even forgot when I felt similar feeling in the past. And it didn't last long. And didn't bother me so much like before. And to go deep in my experiance of no I what should I do during the day to go deeper?
and I don't know where is the point which will say "that is" "your work is done". may be I am walking around. And still didn't see main things. and trick myself.
when somebody tell me something about "I" I really curious what they mean. We live in this world and use "I" to explain something, it is like a game. We are using "I" but there is no I. It is just a thought.

[graceabounds]

Ah, very good. The short replies were very good replies, but not a lot of context was coming along with them so I wanted to get a sense of how you were feeling overall. I am glad that there is more peace and that there is a sense of more challenging moments also flowing by.

Others won't catch this, no. And, if there is no one here, are there any others?

And still didn't see main things. and trick myself.

Is there doubt in seeing that there is no separate self at all, never has been and never will be? Or is this simply a thought?


About what to do to go deeper, I could give you a very thorough series of questions and we can see if we can uncover any gaps in clear seeing... :)

Out of curiosity, what is your native language?

Much love,
Becca