Hello New Here Inspired by John Troy Talks

[AlanMark]

LU is focused guiding for seeing there is no real, inherent 'self' - what do you understand by this?
Logically makes sense. There is NO I.

What are you looking for at LU?
Seeing the No Self. I guess I have been seeking for the past few years for relief of anxiety tightness tough mornings with trying to analyze the No Self information I have gathered from books, posts , podcasts, videos etc from meditation apps to non dual pointers to now direct inquiry. I will be 58 soon and all of this has been new to me . Not sure what led me specifically to this but its here daily but clearly there is confusion. Over analysis or just researching and not knowing how to apply non intellectually. I have no one in my personal life familiar with any of this . I pass on quotes or so called theories with my amazing wife and we bounce ideas around but she is not seeking. By the way I didn’t even realize the term seeking even applied to any of this. But yeah the psychological suffering of tension and constant thoughts on seeing Truth Realty and seeing through the Illusion that intellectually makes sense be known. Ilenes discussion with John 12 13 years ago and in Febubuary 2024 stuck a cord. This Forum is great and the pointers in the IOS app have been very helpful
so far. Thank you.

What do you expect from a guided conversation?
As mentioned above. I know no one personally to learn and understand from. Learning with the intention to find freedom from the illusion of self that seems to have been the cornerstone of others who write/say that provided them with .. not sire of the term but relief from suffering.

What is your experience in terms of spiritual practices, seeking and inquiry?
When Covid Started my employer provided the app Headspace. So I meditated regularly with that . I discussed with my adult son and he pointed me to Sam Harris Podcast interview. This led me the Waking Up App and book. The app had soooo many interviews, mediation teachers etc. I was unaware what I was looking for. I enjoyed Alan Watts talks and researching him led me to youtube mediation teachers. Somehow on was lead to a writer named Kat . I read her books and she had a recommendation of Salvadore Poe. I watched some of his videos and read his first book. Kat then mentioned substack which led me to Robert Saltzman and I read his first book some of his FaceBook, videos and interviews. He had on John Troy who struck a cord and that led me to your interviews.

On a scale from 1 to 10, how willing are you to question any currently held beliefs about 'self? 10

[Lubo]

Hey hi dear Alan Mark,
Reading your intro has touched me deeply.

I am 52, and I’d be happy to join you on your path of seeking, to bring it to completion.
I’m excited to help you discover something unbelievably beautiful—if that’s OK with you?

I guess I have been seeking for the past few years for relief of anxiety tightness

I’m very familiar with that. It happens because you don’t yet know what you truly are or what is actually going on here.
You’ve heard of the 'snake or rope' analogy, right? When you realize that what’s here is not a snake, the system will begin to relax on its own.

Logically makes sense. There is NO I.

Ok, let’s explore the impact of this. Read it a few times and observe how your perception of what is begins to shift:
No 'I
no private owner of anything,
no body that is someone,
no thoughts that belong to anyone.

What is it like to see that there is no separation in this new way of seeing?

Love,
Lubo

[AlanMark]

Hi Lubo:

The gratitude felt by your passing in wisdom is immense.

When I first read

No 'I
no private owner of anything,
no body that is someone,
no thoughts that belong to anyone.

Tension lifted for a a very short amount of time. At first I tried to memorize it and it was as if my mind/ego would not let that happen. Then I was able to. I printed it out. It came up throughout the day and during sleep. With tension arising when I woke up in the morning.

It seems that a lack of separation of in /out and of what is in awareness should be seen. I have some quick glimpses of that. It should be known that my work involves a significant amount of use of the intellect, strategy and what if scenarios.

I feel relief in reading the words again. I see how it points there is No I / ownership / creator in any thing, any body and thoughts. But it seems the thoughts keep rolling in with a me involved in it.. usually saying I should be seeing the rope for the snake.

Hopefully this all makes sense to you. Even as a type this response I THINK I am not being clear or I should be saying something else or I should avoid parroting ideas I have intellectually understood.

Wit Super Gratitude,

Alan Mark

[Lubo]

Hi Alan Mark,

I feel relief in reading the words again. I see how it points there is No I / ownership / creator in any thing,

Mmm... The Creator is here, creation is happening effortlessly.

You are searching to find that you are the creator—but not as an imagined human experience. 😊✨

Tension lifted for a a very short amount of time. At first I tried to memorize it and it was as if my mind/ego would not let that happen. Then I was able to. I printed it out. It came up throughout the day and during sleep. With tension arising when I woke up in the morning.

Alan, look. Right now, there’s an idea that there is a human—a man—who is trying to see this. But it’s actually much simpler.

Trust me, follow me, and just observe what the questions are pointing to.

When you were young, you received the message: “You were born, you are a man.” And now, from this perspective, you see and interpret reality. But now, look at what reality—and you—look like with a different message:

“For you, ‘man’ is just an experience.” look around ?

Like driving a car on autopilot. Look around—so many cars, so many bodies—life is unfolding effortlessly, on autopilot.

The invitation is to experience, right now, that everything is one—bodies, cats, dogs, trees—without relating to thoughts. Thoughts are just part of the car/man experience.

In a car, there’s a board computer constantly giving messages. But are you the car? Are you the messenger?

The same applies to the human experience—are you this experience?

My car = I am not my car (and this is obvious).
My body = I am not my body.
My thoughts = I am not my thoughts.

The key is not to understand—because what is understanding? What kind of experience is that? :)

So much love to you,
Lubo

[AlanMark]

Hello Lubo:

It feels like space is opening up with your last post. At times
I feel peace seeing right now that experience is happening in my Awareness. It is on autopilot as your metaphor was an excellent pointer. Last night I went for a long walk in the cold last with my dog and for the first time it felt for most of the two mile walk I was seeing one panoramic view of the dark sky with clouds moving, trees blowing, suburban homes lit up , cold breezes at first then sweat from over dressing. Noticing my dog in his zone walking fast side by side with me.

I felt free most of the walk.

Then arrived home and did not discuss this with my wife as we went out to eat. I had several long glimpses of one experience but realized I did not notice the tasting of the food that I had just finished. Lol

This morning work required 45 minute drive each way and the car analogy was out into play and wow. All was just happening!!! At times I needed to stop trying to notice the auto-piloting… but I never experienced a ride like that. I cannot remember not turning on the radio for a solo drive.

You are searching to find that you are the creator—but not as an imagined human experience. 😊✨

Does this point to the fact my awareness with All experience through my senses / thoughts are the creation/creator. Here and Now?

Rather than trying and conceptualize each piece in each moment as I have been through this seeking, I realize that I am simply in the here and now of experience that cannot be described .

However, getting lost in thought is common as well but it seems I need to be patient.

But are you the car? Are you the messenger?

No and no. I am experiencing the car ride and messages in it, in the body, mind and external world.

The same applies to the human experience—are you this experience?

Yes

I have been alone-most of the last 24 hours. Except 1 hour at work meeting with many people and phone with my son with my wife last night and in those situations I was singularly focused on the persons with the thought reminding me that they are part of this whole experience.

I guess I am noticing effortless is not always noticed and is clouded by effort if that makes sense.

The last 2 days with you here has been unbelievably helpful and I am noticing as they say the eggshell is cracking.

As far as lack of separation.. I am not sure what to Look for or notice or experience.

Thank you for your deep kindness!!

Alan

[AlanMark]

Hi,

Since last post thinking took root. Related to work call. Seeped into sleep/dreams. Would the the anxiety in sleep just be an experience in awareness?

Sorry for this add on.

Thanks
Alan

[Lubo]

Hi dear Alan,
Thank you for sharing that!

Since last post thinking took root. Related to work call. Seeped into sleep/dreams. Would the the anxiety in sleep just be an experience in awareness?

Here it is the universal medicine:
Notice the illusion—"I am the body"?

There is no need to fight with thoughts or emotions.

Now, notice: "I am" + body experience?

Now look—"I am" is real, but the body is not a subject.

Stay with that. Say Hmmmm or Ommm—repeat it many times, just to check again and again that you are here!
And you are not the body,
thoughts,
or any mental constructs I/me

When thoughts arise, just say Hmmmm or Ommm, to reclaim your place from thoughts.

Do this until crystal-clear seeing comes—that you are the real one,
that you are not the body, that other bodies are also not someone,
and that you don’t know who or what you are.

And after that,
Write to me for final guidance.

I can guide you, but only you can see it.

Can you do this for yourself?

So much love to you,
Lubo

[AlanMark]

Hi Lubo:

I am Not the Body, - glimpses. I am not thoughts

Please clarify the invitation/ guidance to:

seeing that you are the real one,

as it seem to contradict

and that you don’t know who or what you are

I apologize for my ignorance .. lol

Thanks,
Alan

[Lubo]

Hi dear Alan,
You are seeing that you are free from the imaginary "me" and his life.

And we start with this:
I am not the body. I am not this "me" living life.

Who is here? :) "I" or He?

Notice the message: **"You are Him."**

Where do thoughts and all these phenomena appear?

Who is here? :)

Love to you,
Lubo

[AlanMark]

Hi Lubo,

I Am … here

I Am .. not thoughts /body of Alan . I see the body experience is not I.

I see through Alan .. when alone .. not always haha.
Body, thoughts, sights sounds, taste are seen in awareness.

With others .. it is often a struggle to say ohmmmm Etc or use the guidance you have generously offered to be experiencing no self. I KNOW Alan is not controlling anything but after being with others who intellectually I know they are not Bodies as well.

Is it your experience as a guide that others see through the
self as here and now .. all the time or is the illusion here and we just accept it? (Cloud analogy)

The illusion is with me when with others including friends family acquaintances etc. Any guidance on this ?

Is there something to see / expiration for seeking to end ?

With huge gratitude,

Alan ✌🏼











Thanks

[AlanMark]

Is there something to see / expiration for seeking to end ?

Oops

Is there something to see / experience for seeking to end ?

I cannot figure out how to edit posts .. sorry about that …

[Lubo]

Hi dear Alan

Oh yes, once a post is published, editing isn't an option.

Is there something to see/experience for seeking to end?

Yes!

Close your eyes.
Notice how all attention goes to what is happening—
thoughts, body sensations, sounds...

Now, look where you never look.
Rest in beingness.

This is behind the screen of life—
a sense of home, the solid ground from which everything arises.

Can you find this place?

[AlanMark]

Hi Lubo,

IT seems that your are pointing to be aware of awareness when use the senses and thoughts. A trying comes up to rest in only awareness. As I wrote in my original post I have been influenced by Robert Saltzman and John Troy who point to no splitting. https://robertsaltzman.substack.com/p/w ... medium=web


In your last post I am not clear if you are guiding me to split the two. Here comes concepts creeping in which you have guided me to shift perspective from but some clarity is needed here.

Thank you Thank you Thank you

Alan

[Lubo]

Hi dear Alan,
I am guiding you to discover freedom beyond any concept of yourself.
Notice the freedom of not being Alan? - what is coming?
not being consciousness, the body, life, thoughts, or any narrative… whatever can be found.
Absolutely free!

Feel the freedom that you are.
This is the shortcut.

So much love to you,
Lubo