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Re: so tired of seeking

Postby Lubo » Thu Sep 14, 2023 8:05 am

Hi dear Ursula,
Nice!
Let's break trough this simple and profound illusion:
Ha, look that this one who is talking to him is imagined?
Another good catch! Yes you are right...This talking in my head is NOT MYSELF..
Notice the simple imagination that yoy are something which is moving the body>
Something which eat and swallow the food, tea...?

Right now - What is happening + imagination/story "I am something which is doing that"

And this is it, ;)

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Re: so tired of seeking

Postby mischa » Thu Sep 14, 2023 3:02 pm

Notice the simple imagination that yoy are something which is moving the body>
Something which eat and swallow the food, tea...?
Yes it feels like ( or I imagine ) I am something which is moving the body, something which eats and swallows food and drinks tea.......Yes this imagination is so strong and so persuasive
Right now - What is happening + imagination/story "I am something which is doing that"
Yes you are right! Whatever is happening right now, there is a story in my head about that so that it feels like I am something here that is involved or is responsible for what is happening right now or "I am something which is doing that".....
Again this belief is still so strong here......
I can see that we are down to the bare bones now....yes you have simplified this so well...I love the way you have presented the core delusion which still feels so real here
TRUTH : RIGHT NOW - THERE IS ONLY WHAT IS HAPPENING
DELUSION : RIGHT NOW - THERE IS WHAT IS HAPPENING +
- THERE IS AN IMAGINARY STORY THAT "I AM SOMETHING THAT IS
DOING THAT/MAKING THINGS HAPPEN"
And this is it, ;)
Yes this is the bare bones of this whole journey of searching that has taken years and years...you have made it look so simple....PLEASE GOD/SOURCE, LET THIS TRUTH SINK DEEPLY INTO MY HEART ( now that I have written this, it seems it should be written without "my heart" as then again the person is arising.....right? and also there is no God out there but there is Source somewhere or everywhere right?

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Re: so tired of seeking

Postby Lubo » Fri Sep 15, 2023 10:28 am

Wonderful dear Ursula,
you are almost there.

Here it is a game: Say:" I imagine that I am something which makes body to walk,
I imagine that I am something separate called " body",

I imagine that now I am sitting, not that "what is" appear as a sitting body.

I imagine that the body is а label of something separate from "what is",

I imagine that I am this imaginary separate body"

And play with that all day, everyday in different situations

Notice that imagination is very powerfull but still imagination
Notice that story about someone who is moving the body is only a story about someone separate?

I am with you, play with curiosity,
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Re: so tired of seeking

Postby mischa » Fri Sep 15, 2023 3:12 pm

Notice that imagination is very powerfull but still imagination
Notice that story about someone who is moving the body is only a story about someone separate?
Yes, I can see that the imagination here is so vivid and feels so so real and that is the key problem to seeing the Truth...
Yes I can see that the story about someone who is moving the body is only a story about someone separate!

Thank you so much for this game Lubo! I will play it all day long and see how it goes!

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Re: so tired of seeking

Postby Lubo » Sat Sep 16, 2023 7:48 am

Wonderful.
I am with you.

Love and Power,
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Re: so tired of seeking

Postby mischa » Sat Sep 16, 2023 2:42 pm

I am with you.
I am very grateful for this!
Love and Power,
Thank you...I need lots of love here....and power to stay in Presence...but when I look at that word "power" it seems to have a bad reputation????

I am still looking at " that story about someone who is moving the body is only a story about someone separate".......that's so true but the problem is that this story is still believed here.....and this person/Ursula here still feels so separate......

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Re: so tired of seeking

Postby Lubo » Sat Sep 16, 2023 4:18 pm

but when I look at that word "power" it seems to have a bad reputation????
yes. thus is the problem :)
Say: "I am so powerful and vast that I am afraid to see myself and I prefer to pretend that I am a persona with important problems to resolve"
What is coming?
.and this person/Ursula here still feels so separate....
I know. let's look together:
Notice this thought-narrative
this thought "I Ursula"
then notice the sensation with wich this thought is connected, this sense of a me?

Stay with this connection and notice that this nothing to do with the picture/image which is here?

There is an image of colours + imagination that there is a me Ursula?


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Re: so tired of seeking

Postby mischa » Sun Sep 17, 2023 3:07 pm

Say: "I am so powerful and vast that I am afraid to see myself and I prefer to pretend that I am a persona with important problems to resolve"
What is coming?
When I read the above, the first thing I observe is that I don't believe that I am so powerful and vast...it feels like you are saying this to make me feel better and that it is an exagerated statement...
However, I can see that I am pretending to be a persona with important problems to resolve...yes that is slowly becoming more possible to accept that..
At the same time - there is a part of me here that feels such a great relief when I read the above statement because it feels like there is something I can do about this..that I have a choice in the way I look at things/life/ME
Notice this thought-narrative
this thought "I Ursula"
then notice the sensation with which this thought is connected, this sense of a me?
When I think of "I/Ursula", right away there is the awareness of this body which consists of warm tingling sensations where I believe my body is...as thought I am wrapped in a warm cocoon ( which I call 'my body' )
Stay with this connection and notice that this has nothing to do with the picture/image which is here?
OK I am staying with this connection of the thought "I/Ursula" with warm tingly sensations that create this sense of Me.....
However, I CAN'T SEE that this has nothing to do with the picture/image which is here...In fact, the opposite is noticed - this is such a strong connection that your statement "this has nothing to do with the picture/image here" doesn't ring true!
Even though deep down there is some resonance with your statement ( in thought form), my direct experience still leads me to feel I/URSULA = Sensations in Body
There is an image of colours + imagination that there is a me Ursula?
Sometimes I get a glimpse that this might be true.....but usually it is so hard to believe that I am imagining this whole body from head to toe as just a bunch of colours which has been labelled 'Ursula/Me/I'

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Re: so tired of seeking

Postby Lubo » Sun Sep 17, 2023 4:43 pm

Hi dear Ursula,
At the same time - there is a part of me here that feels such a great relief when I read the above statement because it feels like there is something
Yes. "seeing no self" is exactly to feel relax and relief.
Trust that all this, Whatever is this is perfect already and there are no mistakes.
Just notice how many colours and playfulness are here?
All projection for suffering are just projections, you can rest here and you have right to fill relaxed and you can smile ...

What is coming?
There is an image of colours + imagination that there is a me Ursula?
Sometimes I get a glimpse that this might be true.....but usually it is so hard to believe that I am imagining this whole body from head to toe as just a bunch of colours which has been labelled 'Ursula/Me/I'
Look around...
What makes all this to be here, exactly as it is including body-ies?
Is there a remote-controller?
Idea of someone separate , a doer is just an idea and we can rest here in the unknown and to welcome whatever is coming, right?

Can you live like that a day? two? an year?

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Re: so tired of seeking

Postby mischa » Mon Sep 18, 2023 3:09 pm

Just notice how many colours and playfulness are here?
There are so many colours here...in fact it appears as though everything is colour and there is nothing without colour
Not sure what you mean by 'playfulness'...I usually think of 'playfulness' as a quality that belongs to 'someone'.....
All projections for suffering are just projections, you can rest here and you have the right to feel relaxed and you can smile ..
What is coming
I still wish that the suffering here didn't feel so real.....I will try to stay with this fact that "all projections for suffering are just projections"
Ahhh when I read this line "you can rest here and you have the right to feel relaxed and you can smile' , it's like a big sigh and a sense of relief comes and envelops me and suddenly I feel so calm and secure as if I am held in the loving arms of the Universe...
Look around...
What makes all this to be here, exactly as it is including body-ies?
Is there a remote-controller?
I don't know what makes all this to be here? When I was religious it was easy to answer that question: GOD. I used to believe in the Bible..that God made Heaven and Earth and everything in between. Now I know there is NO GOD up there.......There is NO REMOTE-CONTROLLER anywhere that is making things happen ( neither ME nor GOD )....
But as soon as I say that, there is the thought that "Well if I surrender, who or what am I surrendering to if there is NO REMOTE-CONTROLLER'?
Is it just a matter of how I look at the ABSOLUTE ? or AWARENESS? or BEINGNESS? Are those the REMOTE-CONTROLLERS?
So there are 2 streams of thoughts coming:
1. is that there is NO REMOTE-CONTROLLER that is making anything to be here.......but things are just happening by themselves as they happen spontaneously...
2. is that the REMOTE-CONTROLLER is the ABSOLUTE/AWARENESS/BEINGNESS which allows everything to be exactly as it is supposed to be and which knows everything and takes care of everything in life
Idea of someone separate , a doer is just an idea and we can rest here in the unknown and to welcome whatever is coming, right?
Can you live like that a day? two? an year?
Yes I have been told and read many times that "the idea of someone separate, a doer, is just an idea"......
Yes I am seeing more and more that there is no doer ( unless it's the Absolute/Beingness that is responsible for doing everything...? )
But it is still difficult not to see bodies and people as separate, as just an idea......
I would love to rest here in the unknown and to just welcome whatever is coming...that would be a heavenly way to live......just thinking about living like that brings a feeling of calm and peace and security.....
I would love to live like that forever.....so I will start by trying to live like that the whole day today.....

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Re: so tired of seeking

Postby Lubo » Tue Sep 19, 2023 7:56 am

Hi dear Ursula,
There are so many colours here...in fact it appears as though everything is colour and there is nothing without colour
Not sure what you mean by 'playfulness'...I usually think of 'playfulness' as a quality that belongs to 'someone'.....
Look at all this here as at beautiful game, miracle - sounds, colours, forms, sensations...joy
Ahhh when I read this line "you can rest here and you have the right to feel relaxed and you can smile' , it's like a big sigh and a sense of relief comes and envelops me and suddenly I feel so calm and secure as if I am held in the loving arms of the Universe..
Yes, exactly, look this colours, this image here, it is not scary, only imaginations are. No need to be afraid from the image. Relax.

Yes, you are at loving arms of Universe, maybe there is only Universe, No 2 ;)
Invitation is first to relax and then with curiosity to notice what is here
I don't know what makes all this to be here?
Wonderful, yes and you can relax and smile to this
Look at this here as a wonderful joke and smile
But as soon as I say that, there is the thought that "Well if I surrender, who or what am I surrendering to if there is NO REMOTE-CONTROLLER'?
the main question for me is not surrendering but the meaning of the battle?
To be or not to be :)
to fight or to relax and enjoy

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Re: so tired of seeking

Postby mischa » Tue Sep 19, 2023 3:04 pm

Look at all this here as at beautiful game, miracle - sounds, colours, forms, sensations...joy
You mean like when I was a child? Yes, then everything was new, exciting, like a beautiful game.....I will try to see everything like that....
Yes, you are at loving arms of Universe, maybe there is only Universe, No 2 ;)
Invitation is first to relax and then with curiosity to notice what is here
You mean that there is only UNIVERSE/GOD/ONENESS/AWARENESS/BEINGNESS/PRESENCE?
Yes somehow that is a bit scary at first as it is such a contrast of something so big and vast versus little ME/URSULA that will get swallowed up into nothingness....
I will try to relax more into this view...because knowing there is something beyond this little ME/URSULA is also comforting at the same time as it means that something bigger is taking care of everything....
the main question for me is not surrendering but the meaning of the battle?
To be or not to be :)
to fight or to relax and enjoy
Not sure if I understand this.....I thought surrendering to something higher was the main thing I should be doing here...
Not sure about the meaning of the battle? Which battle? When you say "to be or not to be" are you referring to BEINGNESS/AWARENESS/PRESENCE?
Is the battle about fight for Truth? about seeing the falseness of the ME/URSULA?
I didn't realize I was fighting?
I thought I was trying to see reality because I really want to get out of this suffering and this stupid way of living and looking at life......
I want to just BE and live in this BEINGNESS....
I don't want to fight but just accept what I am learning here as the Truth.....
I want to relax and enjoy this whole process but yes it is true that I am striving to get something and I want to get it soon...so yes that makes me not able to relax and enjoy

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Re: so tired of seeking

Postby Lubo » Tue Sep 19, 2023 3:49 pm

I want to relax and enjoy this whole process but yes it is true that I am striving to get something and I want to get it soon...so yes that makes me not able to relax and enjoy
Look here closely
You are expecting to find way to win the battle with What is?
But we are looking that there is only what is?
and this one who want to win...?
Ids therE ming of trying to control?
Where is the controller?
Is there remote-control?

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Re: so tired of seeking

Postby mischa » Wed Sep 20, 2023 2:24 pm

You are expecting to find way to win the battle with What is?
But we are looking that there is only what is?
and this one who want to win...?
Ids therE ming of trying to control?
Where is the controller?
Is there remote-control?
I didn't realize that I was trying to find a way to win the battle with WHAT IS....But I now realize that if I can't accept WHAT IS, then I am fighting with it......
Yes, if there is only WHAT IS, then how can there be anyone fighting with it? Of how can there be anyone who wants to win?
This one who wants to win, the ME/URSULA, can't be separate from WHAT IS, if WHAT IS is all there is and there is nothing but WHAT IS.......
This is not clear: " Ids therE ming of trying to control?"
Hmm, yes if THERE IS ONLY WHAT IS, then there is NO CONTROLLER as WHAT IS is just happening as it happens......
The same reasoning applies: If THERE IS ONLY WHAT IS, then there can be NO REMOTE-CONTROL either because there is nothing apart from WHAT IS....But this idea of REMOTE-CONTROL is still strong because of the belief in something greater/higher.....

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Re: so tired of seeking

Postby Lubo » Wed Sep 20, 2023 2:58 pm

Hi dear ursula,
Wonderful investigation.

Notice that ursula is written with small "u" when this is taken personally, but not as What is - what is the experience?

Now notice that this is What is and there is no personal event, just name ursula is written with small "u"
- what is the experience?

.But I now realize that if I can't accept WHAT IS, then I am fighting with it......
Without the story about someone separate and fighting with what is - is there someone living life?
Is there life at al?


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