Waking up ending suffering

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Waking up ending suffering

Postby Shaiedel19 » Fri Dec 02, 2022 6:12 am

LU is focused guiding for seeing there is no real, inherent 'self' - what do you understand by this?
that The self (I /Me) that I believe myself to be: Is an illusion (just a thought). Not something solid or perminent.

What are you looking for at LU?
I need help with seeing that the
I / Me I believe I am: is just a thought and not something solid.
I practiced meditation and self inquiry for years and I still failed to see it. I'm hoping to get guidance so that I can finally see it.

What do you expect from a guided conversation?
To finally see through the illusion of the self.
After so many years of practicing meditation and emotional release technique I still didn't get to the root belive that the Me I think I am is an illusion. I'm ready now to see it.

What is your experience in terms of spiritual practices, seeking and inquiry?
Many years of practicing meditation
And
Emotional Release technique.
Two months of doing self inquiry

On a scale from 1 to 10, how willing are you to question any currently held beliefs about 'self? 11

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Re: Waking up ending suffering

Postby Anastacia42 » Sun Dec 04, 2022 6:45 pm

My name is Stacy and I can be your guide, if you would like.

One thing I want to make very clear up front is that with me, you must post every day. If you know yourself and your schedule are such that you cannot do this, tell me, "no," and someone else can guide you, please.

Yes, if once in a while you must post later, please post a note telling me when you will return.

If you know yourself to be a skeptical person, prone to doubt, I may not be the best guide for you. I never had any doubt. I can connect you with one of our other guides who did & who can guide you better than I.

If you haven't already read the disclaimer, please read it now and just confirm to me that you have read it. Here is the link.

http://liberationunleashed.com/disclaimer-2/

Also please read “Liberation Unleashed is not …” in the FAQ’s of LU. Here is the link.

http://liberationunleashed.com/about/faq/#faq-1041

Some housekeeping guidelines:

1. Post at least once a day, or every second day. If you need more time, or are unable to post for several days, just write a quick post on your thread to let me know please.

2. There is no one judging answers given, so please be 100% honest in your answers and inquiry.

3. This exploration is based on actual experience (AE) - smell, taste, sound, sensation, color and observed thoughts. Long-winded analytical and philosophical answers are best avoided and may even hinder progress. This is not a self-improvement process. There is no ‘self’ to improve.

4. Put aside all other teachings, philosophies, rituals, practices, books/reading and so on for the remainder of this investigation. Really put all your effort and attention in to seeing this reality, as it is. If you have a daily meditation practice, it is fine to continue that but is not necessary for this exploration.

Technology is not perfect and sometimes there is a glitch which can wipe out your responses. It is advisable that you copy and paste questions asked into Word, answer them there and then copy and paste them to your thread. Always save a copy of what you have done, it will save time in the long run!

To begin with, so that we both become aware of what your expectations are about this exploration. In your own words (not from actual experience, but just honest answers), could you please answer the 4 following questions:

How will life change?
How will you change?
What will be different?
What is missing?


Throughout this exploration I would like you to answer all questions that I have written in blue text. Please answer all questions even if I miss using the blue text.

Please answer questions individually, remembering to use the quote function to highlight the question being answered.

Below is a link to the video with instructions on using the Quote Function. Please watch it. Use the PREVIEW button to make sure your text looks right before you hit "SUBMIT."

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=660

What would you like for me to call you? What time zone are you in, please?

Loving,
~ Stacy

"In Japanese monasteries, they warn you not to come in."

~ Natalie Goldberg
"Thunder & Lightening: Cracking Open the Writer's Craft"

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Re: Waking up ending suffering

Postby Anastacia42 » Sun Dec 04, 2022 7:09 pm

There are 3 meetings & a set of 5 videos you're invited to attend:

Thursday Meetings.

Hi Guys,

we are Luchana & Lubo, guides at LU.

Here is an invitation for you:

Join us each Thursday, 6 pm CET, UTC+1
and let's explore together what is already here.
Let's enjoy together this beauty called Life
MEETINGS ARE ON ZOOM and LIVE on youtube.

To participate in the meetings, send a request to luchanauzunova@gmail.com

You will receive an e-mail confirming your participation and a link to join.

Looking forward to seeing YOU!
Luchana & Lubo
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Monday December 5 (TODAY IN THE US)

5am Sydney (est) Australia
Every 2 weeks after that.

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Let him know if you want email reminders.

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Next group meeting on Zoom is on the 4th of September. (There was one October 9. Not sure when next one is. )

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(videos)

Hi everyone.

Starting on 15th of October for 5 weeks I will post a new video of guiding sessions we had with Jim.
Here is a link to the first one.

https://youtu.be/gb6FwZ6PlI4

Liberation Unleashed Direct Pointing - The Gateless Gate

Ilona

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Have fun with these. Looking forward to next reply.

Loving,
~ Stacy

"In Japanese monasteries, they warn you not to come in."

~ Natalie Goldberg
"Thunder & Lightening: Cracking Open the Writer's Craft"

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Re: Waking up ending suffering

Postby Shaiedel19 » Sun Dec 04, 2022 7:31 pm

My name is Stacy and I can be your guide, if you would like.

One thing I want to make very clear up front is that with me, you must post every day. If you know yourself and your schedule are such that you cannot do this, tell me, "no," and someone else can guide you, please.

Yes, if once in a while you must post later, please post a note telling me when you will return.

If you know yourself to be a skeptical person, prone to doubt, I may not be the best guide for you. I never had any doubt. I can connect you with one of our other guides who did & who can guide you better than I.

If you haven't already read the disclaimer, please read it now and just confirm to me that you have read it. Here is the link.

http://liberationunleashed.com/disclaimer-2/

Also please read “Liberation Unleashed is not …” in the FAQ’s of LU. Here is the link.

http://liberationunleashed.com/about/faq/#faq-1041

Some housekeeping guidelines:

1. Post at least once a day, or every second day. If you need more time, or are unable to post for several days, just write a quick post on your thread to let me know please.

2. There is no one judging answers given, so please be 100% honest in your answers and inquiry.

3. This exploration is based on actual experience (AE) - smell, taste, sound, sensation, color and observed thoughts. Long-winded analytical and philosophical answers are best avoided and may even hinder progress. This is not a self-improvement process. There is no ‘self’ to improve.

4. Put aside all other teachings, philosophies, rituals, practices, books/reading and so on for the remainder of this investigation. Really put all your effort and attention in to seeing this reality, as it is. If you have a daily meditation practice, it is fine to continue that but is not necessary for this exploration.

Technology is not perfect and sometimes there is a glitch which can wipe out your responses. It is advisable that you copy and paste questions asked into Word, answer them there and then copy and paste them to your thread. Always save a copy of what you have done, it will save time in the long run!

To begin with, so that we both become aware of what your expectations are about this exploration. In your own words (not from actual experience, but just honest answers), could you please answer the 4 following questions:

How will life change?
How will you change?
What will be different?
What is missing?


Throughout this exploration I would like you to answer all questions that I have written in blue text. Please answer all questions even if I miss using the blue text.

Please answer questions individually, remembering to use the quote function to highlight the question being answered.

Below is a link to the video with instructions on using the Quote Function. Please watch it. Use the PREVIEW button to make sure your text looks right before you hit "SUBMIT."

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=660

What would you like for me to call you? What time zone are you in, please?

Loving,
Dear Stacy
Thank you so much for your reply
You wrote:
"you must post every day. If you know yourself and your schedule are such that you cannot do this, tell me, "no," and someone else can guide you, please.
At the moment I'm afraid I can't post everyday

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Re: Waking up ending suffering

Postby Anastacia42 » Sun Dec 04, 2022 11:00 pm

Okay.

Please don't quote back the entire post - only the short question you're replying to.

I'll get this posted back to the top for another guide.

Thanks,
~ Stacy

"In Japanese monasteries, they warn you not to come in."

~ Natalie Goldberg
"Thunder & Lightening: Cracking Open the Writer's Craft"

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Re: Waking up ending suffering

Postby Shaiedel19 » Wed Dec 07, 2022 7:36 am


I'll get this posted back to the top for another guide.

Thanks,
Thank you so much

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Re: Waking up ending suffering

Postby vinceschubert » Sun Dec 11, 2022 3:08 am

Hi, vince here. i will guide you for a while.
Right now, tell me what you think your self is?

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Re: Waking up ending suffering

Postby Shaiedel19 » Fri Dec 16, 2022 10:45 pm

Right now, tell me what you think your self is?
Hi Vince,
I feel that
I'm my body and mind

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Re: Waking up ending suffering

Postby vinceschubert » Sat Dec 17, 2022 1:53 pm

Hi,
I feel that
I'm my body and mind
OK, to investigate this, we need to hone in on detail.
When you say "feel", is it an actual feeling or is it a logical conclusion?
If part of your body was removed, would you be any less you? (would the self be diminished?)
Is your mind the same as it was when you were a child? Are you now a different self to the one you were then?

vince

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Re: Waking up ending suffering

Postby Shaiedel19 » Sun Dec 18, 2022 7:52 pm

[/quote]OK, to investigate this, we need to hone in on detail.
When you say "feel", is it an actual feeling or is it a logical conclusion?
If part of your body was removed, would you be any less you? (would the self be diminished?)
Is your mind the same as it was when you were a child? Are you now a different self to the one you were then?
vince
[/quote]

1. When I say 'feel' it is an actual feeling...
2.If a part of my body was removed would I be less me?
I feel that I am located in the head or the heart.
So if my heart or brain were removed, I would not be me.
3.Is my mind the same as it was when I was a child?
Well I have many new memories now that I didn't have as a child. But I'm not my memories cause I can watch them. So there is some part of the mind that is the same as when I was a child

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Re: Waking up ending suffering

Postby vinceschubert » Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:01 pm

Good evening Shaiedel, here are some clues about using the quote function. There is value in using it. viewtopic.php?f=4&t=660
When I say 'feel' it is an actual feeling...
If you were to describe that feeling, the sensations, would there be any mention of a self, a me?
Is it accurate to say that any mention of a self in relation to those feelings is a logical conclusion and not the discovery of an inherently separate self ?
I feel that I am located in the head or the heart.
So if my heart or brain were removed, I would not be me.
So if you had a heart transplant you would no longer be you?
So there is some part of the mind that is the same as when I was a child
When we talk of mind, are we talking of a thing? does it have a physical existence?
Is it not just a word, a concept to describe a thought stream?

with love

vince

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Re: Waking up ending suffering

Postby Shaiedel19 » Fri Dec 23, 2022 10:57 pm

Good Evening Vince,
If you were to describe that feeling, the sensations, would there be any mention of a self, a me?
Is it accurate to say that any mention of a self in relation to those feelings is a logical conclusion and not the discovery of an inherently separate self ?
Yes you are right
So if you had a heart transplant you would no longer be you?
I would still be me even if I had a heart transplant.
But what if I am located in the brain?
When we talk of mind, are we talking of a thing? does it have a physical existence?
Is it not just a word, a concept to describe a thought stream?
Oh yes, you are right...

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Re: Waking up ending suffering

Postby vinceschubert » Sun Dec 25, 2022 12:12 am

Good day Shaiedel,
what if I am located in the brain?
OK, well, you are. ..but here's a koan; you exist in the brain but biology has never found you. When the body is dead, you are absent. No snapshot will reveal you. You exist only in movement.
Do you exist as form?
Are you a process?
en we talk of mind, are we talking of a thing? does it have a physical existence?
Is it not just a word, a concept to describe a thought stream?
Oh yes, you are right...
Hmm, follow this story...
When we remember something, that memory is a fresh construction. Memories are not stored like a video. Each memory is pulled together from associations. This is how they change over time.
So if Shaiedel remembers a preference for a certain flavor of ice cream, there are the triggers that prompted the memory (maybe seeing someone eating an ice cream), but then there are the stories about how Shaiedel likes that flavor of ice cream. This is identification. It is how a SENSE of self is created.
Please describe your experience of a sense of self?

with love

vince

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Re: Waking up ending suffering

Postby Shaiedel19 » Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:10 am

Please describe your experience of a sense of self?

with love

vince
Dear Vince,
I found someone that guides me via Skype. So I am going to continue to investigate this further with him.
Thank you so much

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Re: Waking up ending suffering

Postby vinceschubert » Sat Jan 07, 2023 12:11 pm

I am going to continue to investigate this further with him.
ok

v


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