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Re: Attention Here and Now

Postby Anastacia42 » Tue Nov 22, 2022 10:27 pm

Okay, pretty good. Try this:

Here is how to distinguish truth from lies.


We often lie every day & don't realize it.

For example, the grocery clerk asks, "How are you?" You reply, "I'm fine." While, yes. there is a sense in which we are always fine, even in the middle of suffering, at that moment, you were grieving the death of your dog, you had a slight sore throat & you had a headache, but you didn't feel like sharing all of that with the grocery clerk, so you lied, "I'm fine."

Also, it matters none at all how "distant" the remembered lie is. Besides the fact that time itself is fictional, a kind if lie, as we recall the lie it becomes present in this moment, as if it were happening now. This brings the body Sensation that accompanies lying.

Lies can be intentional or unintentional, conscious or unconscious, even so automatic that we ourselves are fooled.

The story of a separate "self" is a lie.

This is the lie you came here to see through. Therefore, it is helpful to notice the body Sensation of lying as one of the tools for finding the truth of no self.

You want to be in touch with body Sensations & able to clearly express them in words. This will help.

Lies are usually felt in the heart or solar plexus as a contraction that we may label as tight, heavy or tense.

In contrast, truth is usually expansive. We may call it loose, light or relaxed.

First, can you remember a time when you lied to someone you loved?

Here we count anything, lies we think of as "big" or "small" that "matter" or don't "matter."

How are you? I'm fine. No, your knee hurts, but you don't feel like discussing it with the grocery clerk.

It's a lie. A seemingly "bigger" one will work better for this exercise.

Find the lie. I don't need the whole story, just a few key words to refer to it.

Then scan your body for any Sensation (DE or Direct Experience), particularly in the gut or maybe the heart. Check very closely.

What is found?

If you think the memory you used wasn't clear enough, find another one or lie to yourself right now, make something up.

1 + 1 = 14 is a lie.

I love eating worms is (probably) a lie.

Or call up a video of a lying politician & notice what Sensations arise as you listen.

I will give you a clue: it is not that peaceful Sensation you felt before when you omitted "I." (refers to an exercise I gave before this one)

Please report back with what body Sensations (not interpretations) you feel. Bodies can feel hot or cold, heavy or light, contraction or expansion, etc.

"Peaceful" is an interpretation of a body Sensation, not the Sensation itself, for example.

Do you see that?


Loving,
~ Stacy

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Re: Attention Here and Now

Postby Sfamurrik » Wed Nov 23, 2022 3:58 pm

What is found?
( Alex and Thanksgiving )

Tension/contraction in whole body, constriction in throat.

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Re: Attention Here and Now

Postby Anastacia42 » Wed Nov 23, 2022 4:41 pm

Exactly! That tells you you're lying.

Test it for yourself.

Now. paying attention to contraction versus expansion, try this again:

Mind Labeling Experience

Here is an exercise which examines the way in which the mind labels experience - it takes about 20 minutes and you will need a pen a paper.

This exercise is broken into 10 minute lots. For each 10 minute period pay attention to any bodily sensation i.e. is there any tightening, or any relaxing?

For the first ten minutes write down what you are experiencing right now using the word “I”.

For example:

I am sitting on a chair,
I am hearing a clock ticking,
I am looking at a computer screen,
I am feeling hungry.

Get right to the point, no past or future fantasy, just a plain description of your experience right here and now.

Then for the next ten minutes continue writing down what you are experiencing but this time without using the word “I”. Just describe the experience as it is happening using verbs.

For example:

Sitting on a chair,
typing,
breathing,
blinking,
hearing the clock.

(Again, watch what is happening in the body.)

At the end of the twenty minutes compare the two ways in which the experience was labelled and answer the following four questions:

1. Is one truer than the other, and If so, which one?

2. What is here without labels?

3. Do labels affect the experience or just describe it?

4. Did you notice any differences in the body?

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Re: Attention Here and Now

Postby Anastacia42 » Thu Nov 24, 2022 2:22 pm

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Re: Attention Here and Now

Postby Sfamurrik » Thu Nov 24, 2022 5:50 pm

1. Is one truer than the other, and If so, which one?
At first I was going to say the same then I realized that the first one was coming from the sense of a self. The second was just what it was....seeing, hearing, etc.
2. What is here without labels?
Pure experience, without the clutter, need to explain or detail.
3. Do labels affect the experience or just describe it?
I think it affects it because it requires going into the head, then thoughts come, is it right is it wrong, is it blue or is it green. etc.
4. Did you notice any differences in the body?
Yes, the second was easier so less tension.

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Re: Attention Here and Now

Postby Sfamurrik » Thu Nov 24, 2022 5:53 pm

Stacy,
May I ask where you are located ?
Today is Thanksgiving in the States, and I just want to express my gratitude for this experience that we are sharing.
Thanks
kathleen

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Re: Attention Here and Now

Postby Anastacia42 » Thu Nov 24, 2022 7:51 pm

Hi Kathleen,

Yes, I'm in Colorado. Happy Turkey Day! Thank you.

Your replies are much truer this time, except this one.
Do labels affect the experience or just describe it?
I think it affects it because it requires going into the head, then thoughts come, is it right is it wrong, is it blue or is it green. etc.
Try this exercise & see what is found in Direct Experience.


Label-Reality Correlation

There is a belief that labels have a one-to-one correspondence with ‘reality’. But there isn’t. Just like it is a generally accepted belief that labels like ‘good’ and ‘bad’ are inherent characteristics of ‘things’. But actually, they are not.

When you look at the word label ‘GREEN' , what is the actual experience?

Is the color red ‘experienced’, or is the color green ‘experienced’ as the label suggests?

Does the label ‘GREEN’ have a one-to-one correspondence with ‘reality’? Or does the label suggest something else other than what is here now (red colour)?

Is 'green' associated in any way with the experience of the colour red; or is green just a label that overlays the actual experience of red?

If the label ‘GREEN’ is replaced with the label ‘GOOD’ or ‘BAD’ , is the redness affected in any way as the labels suggests?

Does redness become ‘good’ or ‘bad’, or do the labels have no affect whatsoever on ‘reality’?

Let me know what is SEEN.


Loving,
~ Stacy

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Re: Attention Here and Now

Postby Sfamurrik » Fri Nov 25, 2022 5:21 am

When you look at the word label ‘GREEN' , what is the actual experience?
I can see where this is going. There is no experience in looking at the word letter Green.
The word green takes me to the memories, ideas and beliefs about the word green. The imagination will project me into the past or future looking at trees, etc. That is not a direct experience.
Is the color red ‘experienced’, or is the color green ‘experienced’ as the label suggests?
The label is not experienced but colors are. When I see a sunset, in that moment I am seeing colors. So I will say that colors are experienced with seeing. Not to be labeled only to be experienced in the moment.
Does the label ‘GREEN’ have a one-to-one correspondence with ‘reality’? Or does the label suggest something else other than what is here now (red colour)?
Labels are what the mind creates to group things together. Labels are not about reality but are about separating things into individual ideas about things.

I
s 'green' associated in any way with the experience of the colour red; or is green just a label that overlays the actual experience of red?
Green or red is a label to describe something. Labels help with communication but it doesn't point to reality. That would make it an overlay.
If the label ‘GREEN’ is replaced with the label ‘GOOD’ or ‘BAD’ , is the redness affected in any way as the labels suggests?
No. The sunset remains the same even if it is labeled as good or bad or red or green, The sunset is the experience and the labels have nothing to do with the experience
Does redness become ‘good’ or ‘bad’, or do the labels have no affect whatsoever on ‘reality’?
No affect whatsoever on reality.


I had some interesting experiences with this exercise. A feeling of unravelling inside. Mid way I had to start over because I was sensing that I had missed a point. I even had to laugh. Labels or just labels. Colors may be described differently but I can directly experience a color. Not the label but the color.

I look forward to your feedback.

Thanks
kathleen

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Re: Attention Here and Now

Postby Anastacia42 » Fri Nov 25, 2022 2:34 pm

Good morning, Kathleen
When you look at the word label ‘GREEN' , what is the actual experience?
Yes, you went further. What you say is true enough. but the answer is "red."
Is the color red ‘experienced’, or is the color green ‘experienced’ as the label suggests?
Red is experienced. Please don't get ahead of yourself. Keep it simple.
Green or red is a label to describe something. Labels help with communication but it doesn’t point to reality. That would make it an overlay.
True.
A feeling of unravelling inside. Mid way I had to start over because I was sensing that I had missed a point. I even had to laugh.
Good! I suspect you're beginning to SEE.

Try the next one & please keep it simple. Give the obvious answer. Then you can go beyond that.

Friend/Stranger

Bring up a thought about a character labeled "friend."

Then bring up a thought about a character labeled "stranger."

Compare these thoughts.

Is there a difference in these thoughts?

Is there a true difference or is it just different content?

Now, bring up a thought about a character labeled "friend."

After that, look at a thought about the character labelled "me.”

Is there a difference?

Is there anything special about thoughts with the content "me-character?"

Let me know what is found.


Labeling the day, the Sensations, etc. does nothing to reduce their beauty or joy, but can hide them from our awareness.

Loving,
~ Stacy

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Re: Attention Here and Now

Postby Sfamurrik » Fri Nov 25, 2022 3:46 pm

Is there a difference in these thoughts?
No.
Is there a true difference or is it just different content?
No true difference.
Now, bring up a thought about a character labeled "friend."
After that, look at a thought about the character labelled "me.”
Is there a difference?
Thoughts are just thoughts. I am finding it hard to even come up with a thought.
Is there anything special about thoughts with the content " me character " ?
Only when I slip into the "illusion me character" LOL

I feel like I am in a neutral zone this morning.

I didn't sleep well last night, kept thinking about colors. Real or not real? Green was the color of the trees during the day but when I woke up in the middle of the night they were grey. Does it really matter ( is it really true ? ) ... perceptions are like labels.

Thank you for helping me on this journey-less journey.

kathleen

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Re: Attention Here and Now

Postby Sfamurrik » Fri Nov 25, 2022 3:46 pm

Is there a difference in these thoughts?
No.
Is there a true difference or is it just different content?
No true difference.
Now, bring up a thought about a character labeled "friend."
After that, look at a thought about the character labelled "me.”
Is there a difference?
Thoughts are just thoughts. I am finding it hard to even come up with a thought.
Is there anything special about thoughts with the content " me character " ?
Only when I slip into the "illusion me character" LOL

I feel like I am in a neutral zone this morning.

I didn't sleep well last night, kept thinking about colors. Real or not real? Green was the color of the trees during the day but when I woke up in the middle of the night they were grey. Does it really matter ( is it really true ? ) ... perceptions are like labels.

Thank you for helping me on this journey-less journey.

kathleen

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Re: Attention Here and Now

Postby Sfamurrik » Fri Nov 25, 2022 3:46 pm

Is there a difference in these thoughts?
No.
Is there a true difference or is it just different content?
No true difference.
Now, bring up a thought about a character labeled "friend."
After that, look at a thought about the character labelled "me.”
Is there a difference?
Thoughts are just thoughts. I am finding it hard to even come up with a thought.
Is there anything special about thoughts with the content " me character " ?
Only when I slip into the "illusion me character" LOL

I feel like I am in a neutral zone this morning.

I didn't sleep well last night, kept thinking about colors. Real or not real? Green was the color of the trees during the day but when I woke up in the middle of the night they were grey. Does it really matter ( is it really true ? ) ... perceptions are like labels.

Thank you for helping me on this journey-less journey.

kathleen

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Re: Attention Here and Now

Postby Sfamurrik » Fri Nov 25, 2022 3:46 pm

Is there a difference in these thoughts?
No.
Is there a true difference or is it just different content?
No true difference.
Now, bring up a thought about a character labeled "friend."
After that, look at a thought about the character labelled "me.”
Is there a difference?
Thoughts are just thoughts. I am finding it hard to even come up with a thought.
Is there anything special about thoughts with the content " me character " ?
Only when I slip into the "illusion me character" LOL

I feel like I am in a neutral zone this morning.

I didn't sleep well last night, kept thinking about colors. Real or not real? Green was the color of the trees during the day but when I woke up in the middle of the night they were grey. Does it really matter ( is it really true ? ) ... perceptions are like labels.

Thank you for helping me on this journey-less journey.

kathleen

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Re: Attention Here and Now

Postby Sfamurrik » Fri Nov 25, 2022 3:46 pm

Is there a difference in these thoughts?
No.
Is there a true difference or is it just different content?
No true difference.
Now, bring up a thought about a character labeled "friend."
After that, look at a thought about the character labelled "me.”
Is there a difference?
Thoughts are just thoughts. I am finding it hard to even come up with a thought.
Is there anything special about thoughts with the content " me character " ?
Only when I slip into the "illusion me character" LOL

I feel like I am in a neutral zone this morning.

I didn't sleep well last night, kept thinking about colors. Real or not real? Green was the color of the trees during the day but when I woke up in the middle of the night they were grey. Does it really matter ( is it really true ? ) ... perceptions are like labels.

Thank you for helping me on this journey-less journey.

kathleen

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Re: Attention Here and Now

Postby Sfamurrik » Fri Nov 25, 2022 3:46 pm

Is there a difference in these thoughts?
No.
Is there a true difference or is it just different content?
No true difference.
Now, bring up a thought about a character labeled "friend."
After that, look at a thought about the character labelled "me.”
Is there a difference?
Thoughts are just thoughts. I am finding it hard to even come up with a thought.
Is there anything special about thoughts with the content " me character " ?
Only when I slip into the "illusion me character" LOL

I feel like I am in a neutral zone this morning.

I didn't sleep well last night, kept thinking about colors. Real or not real? Green was the color of the trees during the day but when I woke up in the middle of the night they were grey. Does it really matter ( is it really true ? ) ... perceptions are like labels.

Thank you for helping me on this journey-less journey.

kathleen


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