See through the illusion

[Luhelen]

Dear Luchana,

All right. But is it possible Luhelen to not take care about her family, jobs and so on?

It is not Luhelen to control to take responsible caring her family,jobs and so on.
Things happen by itself.

Is there a choise to be or not to be responsabile?

There’s is no choice to be responsible or not responsible


Lots love from Luhelen

[Luchana]

Hi Luhelen,

you did a very nice looking.


Please look at the following questions one by one and spend some time with each one of them:

Is there a seer?
Is there a feeler?
Is there a hearer?
Is there a taster?
Is there a smeller?

Is there an experiencER?

Is there anything having the experience of whatever is happening?
Is there anything what the experience is happening TO?

Is there an enduring, autonomous, independent self, separate from the rest of experience?
Has there ever been an independent separate self?

Is searching/seeking still going on?

Is there anything that is not totally clear and you would like to look at?

Take your time


Much love,
Luchana

[Luhelen]

Dear Luchana,

Is there a seer?

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No, it’s just a thought

Is there a feeler?

No, it’s just a thought

Is there a hearer?

No,it’s just a thought

Is there a taster?

No,it’s just a thought

Is there a smeller?

No,it’s just a thought

Is there an experiencER?

No,it’s just a thought

Is there anything having the experience of whatever is happening?

The So called experience is a thought

Is there anything what the experience is happening TO?

No, it’s just a thought

Is there an enduring, autonomous, independent self, separate from the rest of experience?

No

Has there ever been an independent separate self?

No

Is searching/seeking still going on?

Only the looking still going on

Is there anything that is not totally clear and you would like to look at?

A thought of “I am not clear enough “keep on popping up


Lots love from Luhelen

[Luchana]

Hi Luhelen,

A thought of “I am not clear enough “keep on popping up

So who or what is not clear enough?
Where EXACTLY is this one which needs to be clear enough?
And what's the problem with this thought?
Is it REAL?
Is it possible to prevent a thought from appearing? Including the thought 'I' am not clear enough?
Is there an expectation that thoughts like this one will stop appearing?


Much love,
Luchana

[Luhelen]

Dear Luchana,

So who or what is not clear enough?

It’s just a thought,an idea that one not clear

Where EXACTLY is this one which needs to be clear enough?

Unable to locate this one

And what's the problem with this thought?

No problem of this thought

Is it REAL?

It popped up and vanished, can’t be real

Is it possible to prevent a thought from appearing? Including the thought 'I' am not clear enough?

Unable to prevent a thought

Is there an expectation that thoughts like this one will stop appearing?

No expectations already.
I just don’t care whatever thought said;-)


Thanks for the pointing and Lots love from Luhelen

[Luchana]

Hi dear Luhelen,


Nice :-) you did a good looking.

As you know Liberation Unleashed is focused in pointing that there is no separate entity, I, me. And this is not the end. It is just a beginning, the first step so to speak.

And what we usually do at this time of the investigation is to give some "final" questions. These questions are in order for the other fellow guides to see if I've missed soemthing in our explorations.
And if you have no doubts that the self, me is nothing but idea and there is no actual self,which controls and navigates through life I can give you these questions?

How do you feel about this?

Take a look also at this video, it may rings.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJQcD588g2w


Much love,
Luchana

[Luhelen]

Dear Luchana,

And if you have no doubts that the self, me is nothing but idea and there is no actual self,which controls and navigates through life I can give you these questions?

Okay

How do you feel about this?

Neutral feeling.
I don’t expect anything therefore do not have strong feelings about this ;-)

Thanks for the video.
Thanks for Luchana’s efforts

Lots love from Luhelen

[Luchana]

Hi Luhelen,

all right. Here are the questions. Take a look and reply with honesty the way you see things right now, fresh, fresh :-)


1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form?
Was there ever?

2) Share in your own words what the illusion of separate self is and how it shows up in experience.

3) How does it feel to see this?

What is the difference from before you started this dialogue?

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over; made you look?

5a. Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. What makes things happen? How does it work?
Give examples from your own recent experiences to how things happen and how things work.
5b. What are you responsible for? Give examples from your own recent experiences to how this works.

6) Anything to add?

As I said these are just in order for other fellow guides to see if I've missed something in our tread, it's not an exam :-)

Much love,

Luchana

[Luhelen]

Dear Luchana,

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form?
Was there ever?

There’s only an idea of “I”,”me”,”self” are popping around

2) Share in your own words what the illusion of separate self is and how it shows up in experience.

In the experience of looking at the wall, It seemed I was looking at the wall, in facts there’s only a kind of knowing is knowing, just knowing nothing, but there’s an idea that reported “ I was looking at the wall “, even this idea is also known .

3) How does it feel to see this?

When I said I was feeling happy , feeling relief,feeling excited and etc , all kind of description just an idea or thoughts only.
They are some wording that meant for communication purpose.

What is the difference from before you started this dialogue?

Before joining forum, I thought I was the one doing this doing that.
Lately, realizing that it was just a thought

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over; made you look?

All of sudden realize that everything is happening in the field of knowing .I did not see anything that push me over

5a. Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. What makes things happen? How does it work?
Give examples from your own recent experiences to how things happen and how things work.
5b. What are you responsible for? Give examples from your own recent experiences to how this works.

I don’t know who made decision,intention,free will,choice and control. They are just happening like that, in the field of knowing .
I have nothing to responsible for, things happen by itself,I was driven automatically to respond upon it happened

6) Anything to add?

Nothing to add.
As you mentioned,it’s only the beginning ；-）


Lots of love from Luhelen

[Luchana]

Hi dear Lihelen,
thank you for your beautiful answers. There is lightness beyond the words.

I don’t know who made decision,intention,free will,choice and control. They are just happening like that, in the field of knowing .

Yea, it can be very tricky and hard to describe the experience of those, but let's give it a try :-)

In everyday life:

How "choice" is experienced?
How "decision" is experienced?
How "responsability" is experienced?

For example when choosing what to eat, what to dress?
What to buy for a family dinner?

Look in the midst of everyday life and try to describe with your own words.

Sending much love,
Luchana

[Luhelen]

Dear Luchana,

How "choice" is experienced?

So called choices are some ideas with images, for example:white shirt,blue shirt,black shirt were appeared , another idea appeared as which color to choose? Another idea appeared as like it or dislike it.one more idea made the decision .I was just looking at those ideas .

How "decision" is experienced?

As above mentioned , even the decision made also just an idea.

How "responsability" is experienced?

I don’t have an idea of responsibility that “ I should do this, I should do that”.
I should responsible to my company? I should responsible to my family?
No, nobody should responsible to anybody ,everything will be on track by itself .

For example when choosing what to eat, what to dress?

Regarding choosing what to eat , what to dress same as above mentioned. At first a few ideas appeared as food image ,another idea said this tasted good that tasted no good,after a few ideas did the comparison among them, final decision made , end.

What to buy for a family dinner?

As above mentioned

I realize nobody appeared to make decisions,to choose, but some ideas chitchating among themselves;-)


Lots love from Luhelen

[Luchana]

hi Lihelen,

thank you for your replies. I will share them with the other fellow guides and will come to you later.


Sending much love
Luchana

[Luchana]

Hi Luhelen,

the other guides have no other questions for you, which means that you crushed the gate, but as you already know there is no gate and no one to crush it :-)

Keep an eye for a message from the admin and at one moment your name will turns into blue. There are a lot of options for further investigation here in the forom in FB group if you decide to join those.
Also there are online meetings - we are having one each Thursday and you are most welcome to join. I will add your e-mails in the mailing list and you will recieve notifications for all meetings and events.


It's been a great joy to explore the concept of a separate self with you and thank you for your oppeness and wilingness to look.

Here is my fb profile - you can add me as a friend so we can be in touch.
https://www.facebook.com/luchana.uzunova/


Sending much love,

Luchana

[Luhelen]

Dear Luchana,

Appreciate so much for whatever you have done!

Yes, no gate, it’s just wording.

Keep in touch;-)

Lots lots love from Luhelen