To see what is right the

[Shamu]

That inferred place where you’ve learned things approaching get bigger.
This is in the constructed world where a car coming at you may hurt you and not the world of direct experience, colors and feeling sensations.

[Shamu]

Hi,
I notice there is a difference between experiencing from “here” and trying to look at “here”.

Probably sounds intellectual 😀

[Bananafish]

Ok, please forget about direct experience or indirect experience; those are words.

What's "inferred place"? Is it a thought? Image? or anything other than that?

Warm wishes,

Kento

[Shamu]

Ok, please forget about direct experience or indirect experience; those are words.

Exactly, thank you.

What's "inferred place"? Is it a thought? Image? or anything other than that?

Warm wishes,

Kento

It is a thought or a label referring to several other thoughts. To use another verbal label, a construct.
But in itself just one thought.

[Bananafish]

Hi Shamu. :)

Do things come to the thought "here"?

What's "here" really? Would you be able to say with 100% certainty that it is
just a thought? Or does it still feel to be something more than that?

Warm regards,

Kento

[Shamu]

Hi, I wish I could just reduce it to a simple binary answer, but I’d lie.

I can’t find that it is anything else but a thought.
It is a thought that is believed to be true.

When I try to look at “here” to see it, I go to a sensation that seems to be in the middle of head, maybe even chest, but I clearly see that this/these sensations are NOT the “here”.

It is intellectual, and not the sense that “ah, I can see through that”.

[Bananafish]

When I try to look at “here” to see it, I go to a sensation that seems to be in the middle of head, maybe even chest, but I clearly see that this/these sensations are NOT the “here”.

It is intellectual, and not the sense that “ah, I can see through that”.

Ok, thanks! Please keep observing those sensations and report what came up.

Regards,

Kento

[Shamu]

Hi!
I sure am and will! 🙂

[Shamu]

Hi!
Been a little hectic, so no updates.
Still at it though!
Best,
S

[Bananafish]

Sure Shamu. :) Take your time!

[Shamu]

Hi, been traveling some and stuff.
At the moment what I see still is that as soon as the thought to look at “here” or “me” appears the me or here that is looked at is something else than the here where experience is.
Not revealing in any way more than that I have a hard time really accessing the “here”.

Best,
S

[Bananafish]

Hi Shamu. :)

Not revealing in any way more than that I have a hard time really accessing the “here”.

Is it accessible? Please try till it is clear for you whether it is accessible.
And see what that "here" is

Best wishes.

[Shamu]

I have been looking at this:
When I am trying to access that here there is none. There is just the experience (not the place). And then I want to look t this “here” and I hve these thoughts about something else.
So this “here” is just a concept that I believe must be here.

I am still somehow tripping myself up intellectually though. It still seems intellectual.

It’s like I see the evidence that santa isn’t real, and “want to believe the evidence I have experienced” but am still not convinced.
Seems kind of weird and counterproductive…

[Shamu]

To clarify. There is no “here” in the experience but there is a concept about how this experience must be organized, there is a reason this experience is this way, and in there is a “here”. But that is in a sense created apart from experience in itself.

[Bananafish]

Hi Shamu. :)

but am still not convinced.

Please elaborate on what makes you feel like this.



Best wishes,

Kento