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by Derek
Sun Oct 21, 2012 4:00 pm
Forum: ARCHIVES
Topic: Unravelling (seeking a guide)...
Replies: 78
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Re: Unravelling (seeking a guide)...

there is still the sense of a doer (even if an illusory one) What is the sense of a doer made up of? At what stage in the sequence of experiences do words and concepts attach themselves to sensations? being the witness. Similarly, what is the actual experience that the words "being the witness" are...
by Derek
Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:57 am
Forum: ARCHIVES
Topic: Unravelling (seeking a guide)...
Replies: 78
Views: 6625

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There is nothing to do and no separate 'one' to do it.
That's exactly it. Looking forward to your answers to the questions.
by Derek
Thu Oct 18, 2012 12:45 am
Forum: ARCHIVES
Topic: Unravelling (seeking a guide)...
Replies: 78
Views: 6625

Re: Unravelling (seeking a guide)...

Wonderful. Yes, there are some aftercare groups open to members only. "Unleashed" is a sort of central gathering place. Astonishingly, there are some 400 members in it now. "Beyond the Gate" is more specifically for aftercare. I don't know how many are in that one, since I'm not a member. "LU Centra...
by Derek
Thu Oct 18, 2012 12:06 am
Forum: ARCHIVES
Topic: Unravelling (seeking a guide)...
Replies: 78
Views: 6625

Re: Unravelling (seeking a guide)...

What a joy to behold. What you call "purification" I call "evaporation." Some slight opposition to reality arises. A false impression of a self gets created. Then clear seeing happens. And then the illusion evaporates. Is there anything else you'd like to do here on Liberation Unleashed, or is our d...
by Derek
Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:59 pm
Forum: ARCHIVES
Topic: Unravelling (seeking a guide)...
Replies: 78
Views: 6625

Re: Unravelling (seeking a guide)...

Oh, you are waking up without my help! In the story about the unicorn, you see it is perfectly possible to concoct an intelligible story, yet where the starring character has no existence outside the world of words. But then the same story can be told about things that really exist. So in which cate...
by Derek
Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:42 am
Forum: ARCHIVES
Topic: Unravelling (seeking a guide)...
Replies: 78
Views: 6625

Re: Unravelling (seeking a guide)...

I am seeing clearer the falseness of the 'I' thoughts and stories. Still a running commentary, but taken less seriously. A feeling of old stories that have caused me lots of pain and anxiety over the years falling away - losing their tangibility or realness. Seen as just stories. Exactly! That agai...
by Derek
Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:35 am
Forum: ARCHIVES
Topic: Unravelling (seeking a guide)...
Replies: 78
Views: 6625

Re: Unravelling (seeking a guide)...

the seeing and the feeling happened before the labelling of the experience - both the 'fear' and the 'snake'. Now that is the key thing to see! The experience is one thing, the labeling happens second as a commentary pasted on top of the experience. Seeing it for yourself, in action, as it happens,...
by Derek
Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:19 am
Forum: ARCHIVES
Topic: Unravelling (seeking a guide)...
Replies: 78
Views: 6625

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Okay, this is a start. But just to be absolutely clear, this is NOT about shifting anything. I can't emphasize that strongly enough. It is about seeing the nature and mechanisms of what's already there. SEEING , not shifting. It's good that you've recognized that word-thought creations are somehow f...
by Derek
Tue Oct 16, 2012 11:24 am
Forum: ARCHIVES
Topic: Unravelling (seeking a guide)...
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Views: 6625

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Haha at one point I did some training in primal therapy, and there the approach is much softer and gentler. Works great if you have five or ten years to spare. Now, another exercise in looking. It will take about 30-60 seconds for the looking, and then however many minutes you need for the writing a...
by Derek
Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:57 am
Forum: ARCHIVES
Topic: Unravelling (seeking a guide)...
Replies: 78
Views: 6625

Re: Unravelling (seeking a guide)...

Now for the hard work of looking. Notice that part of your experience is presented by the senses -- the sight of brick tiles, for example. And part of it is added by the mind -- the conclusion that the elements must be responsible for the coloring. The mind adds to sensory experience. Then in "why c...
by Derek
Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:33 am
Forum: ARCHIVES
Topic: Unravelling (seeking a guide)...
Replies: 78
Views: 6625

Re: Unravelling (seeking a guide)...

About your response to Leelotschka's dream and the way you hold your breath -- these would all be relevant if we used a different approach, the approach of unpeeling the conditioned layers of the personality. But here at LU we use a different approach. We go directly to the root of the problem. So w...
by Derek
Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:22 am
Forum: ARCHIVES
Topic: Unravelling (seeking a guide)...
Replies: 78
Views: 6625

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I'm afraid if I wake up, there won't be any story left to tell - or at least no one who wants to tell it. So what will I write about? Is this a valid fear? Ah, now this we have to look into. It is indeed quite possible that if you wake up, you will lose all interest in what you now think of as "you...
by Derek
Mon Oct 15, 2012 8:21 pm
Forum: ARCHIVES
Topic: Unravelling (seeking a guide)...
Replies: 78
Views: 6625

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Okay, if you're sure that the fear was a one-time occurrence, then we can press on. But it does occur to me that, if you're away from Thursday, and then I'm away for a long weekend at the end of October, communication is going to be intermittent. That will slow the momentum of the process. Anyway, l...
by Derek
Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:18 pm
Forum: ARCHIVES
Topic: Unravelling (seeking a guide)...
Replies: 78
Views: 6625

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Ah, yes, the mysterious quote function! That sense that someone has done something is what I call "residual selfing." Lots of people go through that stage -- "I have become enlightened" -- only to realize how laughable that statement is. Unfortunately, you got stuck there. At least that's my interpr...
by Derek
Sun Oct 14, 2012 11:40 am
Forum: ARCHIVES
Topic: Unravelling (seeking a guide)...
Replies: 78
Views: 6625

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Excellent! Yes, thoughts just happen. The sense of self isn't going to disappear. We're just going to examine it closely, in a way that most people never do. Think of it like a conjurer doing a card trick. Most people get fooled by the illusion. But if you watch it really closely, over and over agai...

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