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by Nels
Mon Sep 28, 2020 8:06 am
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: Shut the Gate
Replies: 30
Views: 670

Re: Shut the Gate

Hi Vivien, Your mere words of saying this is not enough. You didn’t do the exercise, or at least you didn’t share with me what you’ve found. I suppose I can understand your need to be so skeptical, given the nature of forums, but I think a basic degree of trust in the person you're working with goes...
by Nels
Mon Sep 28, 2020 3:53 am
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: Shut the Gate
Replies: 30
Views: 670

Re: Shut the Gate

Hi Vivien, Do you see clearly the difference between thinking and experiencing? Whilst I know I probably haven’t convinced you of this yet, yes, I feel the distinction between thinking and experiencing is quite clear to me. That said, I won't pretend like I know everything there is to know about exp...
by Nels
Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:41 am
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: Shut the Gate
Replies: 30
Views: 670

Re: Shut the Gate

Hi Vivien, I’ll try to describe to you how I’m going about the inquiry and perhaps you can tell me where you think I might be going wrong. Say, for example, I‘m meditating on a question like “What is a mind sense?” or “Can a mind sense?”. I will typically start by reciting the question to myself a c...
by Nels
Fri Sep 25, 2020 2:26 pm
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: Shut the Gate
Replies: 30
Views: 670

Re: Shut the Gate

Hi Vivien, Then you have to incorporate looking into your everyday life. Look if there is an “I” thinking thoughts as often as possible in the midst of your busy life, even if just for 20 seconds each. Let me know what happens if you look in the midst of your daily life. Yes, I agree. Will do. What ...
by Nels
Fri Sep 25, 2020 2:22 pm
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: Shut the Gate
Replies: 30
Views: 670

Re: Shut the Gate

Hi Vivien, Then you have to incorporate looking into your everyday life. Look if there is an “I” thinking thoughts as often as possible in the midst of your busy life, even if just for 20 seconds each. Let me know what happens if you look in the midst of your daily life. Yes, I agree. Will do. What ...
by Nels
Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:52 am
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: Shut the Gate
Replies: 30
Views: 670

Re: Shut the Gate

Hi Vivien, Is there an “I” thinking thoughts? If I’m to be frank about my experience, it seems like there is an “I” thinking thoughts when I’m going about my life, you know, lost in thought, a little bit stressed, fatigued, etc.—which is a fair chunk of the day. However, when I turn my awareness on ...
by Nels
Thu Sep 24, 2020 7:36 am
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: Shut the Gate
Replies: 30
Views: 670

Re: Shut the Gate

Hi Vivien, What do I do in order to think? “I” do not do anything in order to think. Thinking just arises in consciousness on its own. If I’m feeling synonymous with the “I”, it can seem like I’m directing thinking by way of intention. However, if I continue to observe that experience of it seeming ...
by Nels
Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:13 am
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: Shut the Gate
Replies: 30
Views: 670

Re: Shut the Gate

Hi Vivien, I, too, would prefer it if we would just stick to the inquiry. There seems, however, to be double standards. Whist I’m (understandably) instructed to not have expectations, it seems you can freely tell me what not to expect. Whilst I’m (understandably) instructed to not speculate, you can...
by Nels
Tue Sep 22, 2020 3:13 pm
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: Shut the Gate
Replies: 30
Views: 670

Re: Shut the Gate

Hi Vivien, Is part of the strategy to annoy me? If so, it's working great. It’s not possible to communicate it as it is, but it can be recognized when a comment is coming from seeing and not from thinking. Sure. It can also be recognised when a comment is coming from someone being reductive. These a...
by Nels
Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:42 am
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: Shut the Gate
Replies: 30
Views: 670

Re: Shut the Gate

Hi Vivien, Sorry, I didn’t think I was being abstruse, but I guess that’s more a reflection of the way I write, not how I observe my conscious experience. In any case, I assure you everything I’ve written is grounded ultimately in my direct experience—which is not to say I’m observing my experience ...
by Nels
Tue Sep 22, 2020 3:58 am
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: Shut the Gate
Replies: 30
Views: 670

Re: Shut the Gate

Hi Viven, To help our conversation along a bit, I would like to make a distinction between the word “I” and the experience of “I”. The word “I”, whether spoken, written, or thought, is a linguistic symbol. It is not inherently bad or good in my view. It can, however, be problematic insofar as its au...
by Nels
Mon Sep 21, 2020 12:13 pm
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: Shut the Gate
Replies: 30
Views: 670

Re: Shut the Gate

Hi Vivien, Sorry, I didn’t mean the phrase “I can’t help but think about it” in any strong sense. I just meant that following the instructions as stated seemed to produce thought responses, which you asked me to be careful not to do. That was just my experience. In general, I don’t have any problem ...
by Nels
Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:48 am
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: Shut the Gate
Replies: 30
Views: 670

Re: Shut the Gate

Hi Vivien, Hope your day was good. My response below. What do you do exactly in order to think? How do you make (or birth) thoughts into existence? Please be careful not to think about these questions, but actually sit and NOTICE how you think, how you do it exactly. So don’t go to theories, specula...
by Nels
Sun Sep 20, 2020 10:00 am
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: Shut the Gate
Replies: 30
Views: 670

Re: Shut the Gate

What name would you like me to call you? Thanks, Vivien. You can call me Nelson. Please, put all the books and videos aside, we are going to be focusing on what you see, rather than what you have learned. Can we agree on this? Agreed. Before starting, please read my above comments carefully a few m...
by Nels
Sat Sep 19, 2020 12:59 pm
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: Shut the Gate
Replies: 30
Views: 670

Re: Shut the Gate

Thanks, Vivien. I appreciate you taking the time to help me with this inquiry. I would like to ask you to write only from your experience as you see it, what feels true, with whole honesty. And also post daily. If you cannot post, or need more time, please let me know. Can we agree on these? Yes, I ...

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