Vivien,

Maybe this is the direction that you have to go right now. What do you think?

Sounds good to me.

Thanks for the help, Vivien.

Take care,

Nameless

Hi Vivien, Have been staying with labeling DE...about the same, still using alerts on phone. Have been doing Katie's work: bring up upsetting situation. write down thoughts in short sentences about it. question a thought/belief or two-writing it down, and turning it around. It has been very helpful ...

Ok, Vivien, thank you for pointing that out.

Nameless

Vivien,

I will stay with this. I have heard of Byron K and looked into her stuff a while ago..no pull there..will look again to see if something resonates. Thank you.

Nameless

Hi Vivien, Just break down daily activities into these categories (which are all actual/direct experience) and report back how you go. Also, please sit for about 15 minutes, and just label everything as shown above. Please make the labelling in a written format, and then share it with me and we can ...

Hi Vivien, I set reminders on my phone, they didn't always go off for some reason...? I set post it notes. What I found is that I did remember on my own more often to look at DE, and when I saw a post it or alarm went off, I stayed with DE only for seconds, same with at night when paying attention t...

Hi Vivien,

Thank you for your reply. I will stay with this for a week, post reminders, set reminders on my phone and get back with you in about a week.

Nameless

Hi Vivien, Two lists: DE and Not DE. I only wrote out things for the first 15 minutes as my hands were really hurting from writing; I did continue to make 'tics' on the paper under each heading. So, under DE: Cold hands, internal sounds---that sound that never goes away that i will put here as 'is,'...

Hi Vivien, I did as you instructed, here are the results: Well, I thought i would sit and look at thoughts for a few minutes to see if the experience would be different than it was this morning. A memory appeared and the thought after that was: I've wasted so much time in life. Immediately after tha...

Hi Vivien, Is there a distinction between an observer and the observed? Are these two things? Or just two different labels on the same happening? After an hour sitting here: There are different experiences happening--going back and forth. At times, there does not appear to be an observer, just a kno...

Hi Vivien,

I did not take advantage of the time I had this morning to look for more than about 20 minutes, not long enough for me. . I just got home from work, late---for me, I'm really tired. I will look tomorrow and get back tomorrow.

Thank you for your patience with me, Vivien.

Nameless

Hi Vivien, Is there a distinction between an observer and the observed? Are these two things? Or just two different labels on the same happening? During the last hour of looking, there were a number of times that it was like you can't have one without the other...something was different, but the see...

Hi Vivien, Are you saying that you are not seeing this right now, but you saw it in the past? I can see now, most times, if not all times--when looking, that Nameless can't write the story; that I saw again before i typed my response yesterday, sorry for the confusion. The fact the she doesn't exist...

Hi Vivien, I spent a lot of time this morning answering all but the last three questions, then mistakenly closed out so I'm starting from scratch. ugh. When it seems to be scary, then isn’t this just a habitual thought playing itself out at the millions of time by now? Yes, it is a story made up of ...

Hi Vivien, But what if there is no self to realize? What if there is no any kind of self in any shape or form? What if all there is to the self is the idea/thought of a self? What if the self only ever exists in the story, but never in reality? It has been seen in the past (I get that it needs to be...