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by forgetmenot
Mon May 10, 2021 11:42 pm
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: My question
Replies: 48
Views: 828

Re: My question

Hello Scott, I will keep 'looking' and let you know if it gets easier. The paintings / representations like your abstract art example help me slow down to break down and question what is real. I would say, at this starting point, I logically understand the distinction between thoughts and raw experi...
by forgetmenot
Mon May 10, 2021 12:07 am
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: My question
Replies: 48
Views: 828

Re: My question

Hello Scott, Lovely to see you back again. I have done that. I am getting something slightly different now. You said," Yep, interpretation of actual experience happens quickly.". I very much have been underestimating this. It happens so fast that the first thing I believe I 'looked' at is the interp...
by forgetmenot
Mon May 03, 2021 12:15 am
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: My question
Replies: 48
Views: 828

Re: My question

Hello Scott, So I think the last and deepest layer I just can't grasp. When I look at (raw visual experience) and I see just color having various aspects, that experience is never the same. Those different aspects experienced are later conceptualized by my mind as shape and texture. I guess this res...
by forgetmenot
Sun May 02, 2021 12:41 am
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: My question
Replies: 48
Views: 828

Re: My question

Hello Scott, I am honestly not interested in whether you agree to what is being pointed at or not. I have guided many people to realisation and I certainly don't question the methodology used, nor an I prepared to compromise it. The bottom line is, do you want to realise that you are not the separat...
by forgetmenot
Fri Apr 30, 2021 1:32 am
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: My question
Replies: 48
Views: 828

Re: My question

Hello Scott, Is this clear? Partially, but lets dig into the subtle initial layer that occurs so fast and creates a little confusion. If I see "now" the sunrise; I have thoughts about that Actual Experience. Right now, that actual visual experience includes (before I start labeling) colors (without ...
by forgetmenot
Wed Apr 28, 2021 2:50 am
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: My question
Replies: 48
Views: 828

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Hi Swendell, I wasn't sure if you were continuing, as I hadn't heard from you. Glad to see that you are. Do you or have you ever meditated? YES Great! This will be of use when we start to look at the nature of thought and learning to observe all thoughts as they arise. Thought-label + colour + sensa...
by forgetmenot
Thu Apr 22, 2021 2:05 am
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: My question
Replies: 48
Views: 828

Re: My question

Hello Scott, You are going to have to read what I post several times very carefully. Learning to see things differently ie learning to LOOK instead of thinking takes time and can become very frustrating because we are so used of thinking rather than LOOKING at what actually is. Language is also a ba...
by forgetmenot
Tue Apr 20, 2021 12:41 am
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: My question
Replies: 48
Views: 828

Re: My question

Hello Scott, Instead the prescribed looking exercise made me realize that knowing could be another type of thought to look for, distinguish, dissect and explore. There are word thoughts, image thoughts, so why not knowing thoughts? Maybe knowing is one thought recalling a stored previous thought. Wh...
by forgetmenot
Mon Apr 19, 2021 1:03 am
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: My question
Replies: 48
Views: 828

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Hello Scott, How does the thought “here is a cup” in this exercise point to experience other than that of thought? It points to a thought which is a judgement / interpretation of raw experiences. I still am not totally clear with the distinction between raw experience and knowing of raw experience, ...
by forgetmenot
Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:05 am
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: My question
Replies: 48
Views: 828

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Hello Scott, When a thought is seen only as a container, and the content of a thought (what it’s about) is being ignored - this is what is called actual experience of a thought....So, we can say, that in actual experience, the arising of a thought (the container) is real, but what it’s ABOUT, the co...
by forgetmenot
Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:40 am
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: My question
Replies: 48
Views: 828

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Hello Scott, 1. AE = Raw experience + thoughts: labels/interpretations/meanings descriptions of raw experience + thoughts about those thoughts... In other words, everything you experience (I elaborate in point 4). For now; I will avoid thinking about what is experiencing since that seems to adversel...
by forgetmenot
Wed Apr 14, 2021 12:12 am
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: My question
Replies: 48
Views: 828

Re: My question

Hello Scott, None of your responses come from looking...they are all thought based. ‘Looking’ is just plain looking at actual/direct experience (AE), which is simply colour (image), sound, smell, sensation, taste, and the simple knowing of thought at face value that is appearing right now in the mom...
by forgetmenot
Mon Apr 12, 2021 5:01 am
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: My question
Replies: 48
Views: 828

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Hi Scott, Please look very carefully. How is it known that “thought are at times involuntarily pulling attention to other thoughts”? I become aware focus shifted from thought A (the original thought I tried to focus on) to thought B. So did the focus shift, or did the thought change? This is a good ...
by forgetmenot
Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:25 am
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: My question
Replies: 48
Views: 828

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Hello Swendell, Focus on focusing, attention itself. Do you move it, or it moves by itself? Hold focus on breath - see how it moves to thoughts, sensations, feelings, sounds. Is this something you control? What moves attention? Can anything be found that moves attention, or does attention/focus move...
by forgetmenot
Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:09 am
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: My question
Replies: 48
Views: 828

Re: My question

Hello Swendell, Bring your attention to the soles of your feet and notice the sensations for several minutes. Now, clap your hands together and notice the sensations. Without thought how is it known that the sensations are different? Do the sensations themselves suggest in any way that they are diff...

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